Sam Vokes

[claretcymro]

Good luck to Sam.Served Burnley well over the last 6 seasons and a big favourite with the fans.

[manulike]

Good luck, Sam

[CrackityJones]

Missed a pen on his debut. Oh dear.

[pendragon]

Ouch....

[manulike]

Scores after 5' put subbed after 17'.
Injured?

[CrackityJones]

Vokes back for Stoke.

[manulike]

Mar 16, 2019 14:12:47 GMT CrackityJones said:

Vokes back for Stoke.

Played 70' ... but looks like manager not keen on us playing him ;-(

Its time for Tyler ans James to shine ;-)

[CrackityJones]

Back in the goals today. We may need him for the double header so good to see.

[manulike]

Sam was only an unused sub today.
Disappointing, considering he scored one and had an assist last week?
Is he carrying a knock?

[manulike]

Sam on target.
Thank the lord, as both Tyler and Dan James are out injured ;-(

[marsvolta]

May 5, 2019 11:58:58 GMT manulike said:

Sam on target.
Thank the lord, as both Tyler and Dan James are out injured ;-(

Just saw the goal now on Sky, Wow.

Chests it down and volleys it in from outside the area

[cadno]

Proper centre-forward. Underrated.

[cadno]

12 goals away from 100 league goals.

Should we make more of the big man?

[richierich333]

Jun 27, 2019 11:24:36 GMT cadno said:

12 goals away from 100 league goals.

Should we make more of the big man?

No

[Baxter Cymru]

Jun 27, 2019 11:24:36 GMT cadno said:

12 goals away from 100 league goals.

Should we make more of the big man?

Yes. If he's going to be in the team we need to work to his strengths.

[welshiron]

Underused in my opinion

If we play 2 wingers you need a target man or if we go 3-5-2

Could even have this

Hennessy

Robert's
Mepham
Ampadu
Davies

Ramsey
Allen

Brooks
James

Bale

Vokes

[CrackityJones]

If he put away a couple of those chances in Albania he would have featured more. I think that game finished him off in Giggs' eyes.

[cadno]

Personally think if Vokes starts then one of Brooks / James should start on the bench.

[melynwy]

Aug 27, 2019 11:52:04 GMT insertname said:

Assuming you mean Vokes, then yes he is. 62 caps and 11 goals.

Or are we talking this assumed nonsense again that 'international quality' is some kind of elite? It isn't. Its football between nations. Whoever's good enough to play for those nations during their careers are 'international quality', and that includes Sam Vokes.

[welshiron]

Agreed. He is the best out and out centre forward we have and he has been for years.

11 international goals is more than anyone else in the squad except Bale.

[welshiron]

In fact the next highest is 3.

[erasedcitizen]

Aug 27, 2019 13:43:00 GMT welshiron said:

Agreed. He is the best out and out centre forward we have and he has been for years.

11 international goals is more than anyone else in the squad except Bale.

I'd argue a goals per game ratio of slightly better than 1 in 6 is appalling for an out and out centre forward.

[insertname]

Aug 27, 2019 13:37:25 GMT melynwy said:

Aug 27, 2019 11:52:04 GMT insertname said:

Assuming you mean Vokes, then yes he is. 62 caps and 11 goals.

Or are we talking this assumed nonsense again that 'international quality' is some kind of elite? It isn't. Its football between nations. Whoever's good enough to play for those nations during their careers are 'international quality', and that includes Sam Vokes.

That’s a pretty poor record though especially when you look at chances he has missed. It’s why the goal in the Euros against Belgium was even more spectacular than it looked- because he misses the easier chances.

And you can use that argument to say that players who play for San Marino are international class. When really they are warm bodies who are lucky enough to take advantage of the low skill cap in that nation to play against giants of the game. It’s great for them and I don’t begrudge it but I don’t see that you can take their skill level as justification that Vokes is a worthy international footballer, he has just been fortunate to play in an era when we have had nowt in the cupboard. He wouldn’t have got a look in in the era of Rush, Saunders, Hughes etc.

[welshiron]

Aug 27, 2019 14:25:46 GMT insertname said:

Aug 27, 2019 13:37:25 GMT melynwy said:

Assuming you mean Vokes, then yes he is. 62 caps and 11 goals.

Or are we talking this assumed nonsense again that 'international quality' is some kind of elite? It isn't. Its football between nations. Whoever's good enough to play for those nations during their careers are 'international quality', and that includes Sam Vokes.

That’s a pretty poor record though especially when you look at chances he has missed. It’s why the goal in the Euros against Belgium was even more spectacular than it looked- because he misses the easier chances.

And you can use that argument to say that players who play for San Marino are international class. When really they are warm bodies who are lucky enough to take advantage of the low skill cap in that nation to play against giants of the game. It’s great for them and I don’t begrudge it but I don’t see that you can take their skill level as justification that Vokes is a worthy international footballer, he has just been fortunate to play in an era when we have had nowt in the cupboard. He wouldn’t have got a look in in the era of Rush, Saunders, Hughes etc.

You cant judge him against them. Wayne would of only got a few caps with big nev about.

He is the best striker we have who would you go for Bradshaw 🤣

[CrackityJones]

At least Bradshaw is playing and scoring at the moment.

[insertname]

Aug 27, 2019 14:38:36 GMT welshiron said:

Aug 27, 2019 14:25:46 GMT insertname said:

That’s a pretty poor record though especially when you look at chances he has missed. It’s why the goal in the Euros against Belgium was even more spectacular than it looked- because he misses the easier chances.

And you can use that argument to say that players who play for San Marino are international class. When really they are warm bodies who are lucky enough to take advantage of the low skill cap in that nation to play against giants of the game. It’s great for them and I don’t begrudge it but I don’t see that you can take their skill level as justification that Vokes is a worthy international footballer, he has just been fortunate to play in an era when we have had nowt in the cupboard. He wouldn’t have got a look in in the era of Rush, Saunders, Hughes etc.

You cant judge him against them. Wayne would of only got a few caps with big nev about.

He is the best striker we have who would you go for Bradshaw 🤣

That kind of proves my point in a way though- he is only there because we have no-one else. So fine, call him up, but we can’t pretend he’s a top international standard player.

And without hashing the whole Bradshaw thing again the reason I wanted to see us play friendlies and cap alternatives is precisely because of this situation. We know what the likes of Vokes can do- we should have been auditioning for replacements in Coleman’s era but Coleman seemed to run a closed shop. It’s nice to see Giggs trying to expand the player base and I don’t think anyone would say that was a bad idea...but it’s interesting that Giggs hasn’t really experimented much up front which suggests that at the moment we don’t even have any surprise caps out there like Lawrence in defence.

Oh, I forgot Kieffer Moore, although whether we will ever see him in a Wales shirt is debatable and he’s probably much the same mould as Vokes from what I hear.

[insertname]

Aug 27, 2019 15:51:48 GMT CrackityJones said:

At least Bradshaw is playing and scoring at the moment.

Hmm...early in the season yet...although if he keeps scoring he will give Giggs a question. I personally thought, from the little we saw, that his movement was great. I think he could maybe do a job with the likes of Wilson and Lawrence. But either way Bale should be our sole striker as it stands, no matter what form he is in.

[holmesdaleultra]

Its a pity that Hal retired.

[CrackityJones]

Vokes just scored 😂

[melynwy]

Aug 27, 2019 14:25:46 GMT insertname said:

Aug 27, 2019 13:37:25 GMT melynwy said:

Assuming you mean Vokes, then yes he is. 62 caps and 11 goals.

Or are we talking this assumed nonsense again that 'international quality' is some kind of elite? It isn't. Its football between nations. Whoever's good enough to play for those nations during their careers are 'international quality', and that includes Sam Vokes.

And you can use that argument to say that players who play for San Marino are international class. 

But that's exactly my point - the San Marino players are 'international quality', because 'international quality' is a measure of nothing more than being good enough to play for your nation. Its is a meaningless term when discussing the qualities of a player.