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Post by fiveattheback on Nov 19, 2023 15:33:53 GMT
Yes, because Morrell was suspended for the Latvia game and he knew he had to play someone else so he gave James an hour against Korea. This isn't difficult. He also isn't 17. So it’s pages credit, he didn’t have to play him. He tested him with morrell and amapadu. He could have stuck with sheenan but he didn’t he put jj in at sorry 19 What do you mean stuck with Sheehan? Last time Sheehan had played was 20 minutes in a friendly in Finland in 2021, between then and Latvia he'd been dropped from the squad and done his cruciate. In fact that was the first Wales squad Sheehan had been in for 2 years! James was the obvious choice as a replacement |
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Post by njdragon on Nov 19, 2023 16:50:09 GMT
So it’s pages credit, he didn’t have to play him. He tested him with morrell and amapadu. He could have stuck with sheenan but he didn’t he put jj in at sorry 19 What do you mean stuck with Sheehan? Last time Sheehan had played was 20 minutes in a friendly in Finland in 2021, between then and Latvia he'd been dropped from the squad and done his cruciate. In fact that was the first Wales squad Sheehan had been in for 2 years! James was the obvious choice as a replacement He played sheenan against Korea too. Ffs you can’t give him credit for anything. He took a gamble on jj so there were no other midfielders in the entire country? He didn’t have to play him at all |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Nov 19, 2023 17:01:23 GMT
Anyone have a strong view on Dasilva? Would he be an upgrade on Robert or Neco (at least in the near term)? What about Huggins? I have seen nothing of both (other than that great goal from Huggins) and so don't have a view. I just know if we continue with 5 at the back (which we look like we need) then we need our wing backs to materially improve if we are to compete as they are currently just not good enough. Neco going on loan somewhere that appreciates him would represent a good start too! No strong view as I've never really watched him play. However, I would like to see him tried ahead of Neco if we're playing James or Brennan on the left. I don't like that both James & Neco invert - it's very predictable and then teams realise all they have to do is show us inside. It makes the pitch narrower for us in an attacking sense Dasilva is a left footed LWB. So if we're playing a back 5 and James is in front James can cut inside and Dasilva can overlap, playing orthodox crosses. Something we haven't had from that side of the pitch in a long long time. We need to try alternative options now. Connor and Neco seem too comfortable and shouldn't be guarantees in the XI based on recent performances |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Nov 19, 2023 17:02:39 GMT
Jordan James look way out of his depth yesterday Disagree completely. Not his best game for us but did fine for a player of his age and experience. Much worse performers out there yesterday, notably Kieffer, Connor & Neco |
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Post by fiveattheback on Nov 19, 2023 17:10:39 GMT
What do you mean stuck with Sheehan? Last time Sheehan had played was 20 minutes in a friendly in Finland in 2021, between then and Latvia he'd been dropped from the squad and done his cruciate. In fact that was the first Wales squad Sheehan had been in for 2 years! James was the obvious choice as a replacement He played sheenan against Korea too. Ffs you can’t give him credit for anything. He took a gamble on jj so there were no other midfielders in the entire country? He didn’t have to play him at all It isn't a gamble if he's the most obvious replacement! James had over 50 Championship appearances under his belt by then. I've given Page credit for things I feel he deserves credit for. Playing Jordan James when he was the most obvious replacement for a suspended Morrell is not one of them |
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Post by zserty on Nov 19, 2023 17:21:12 GMT
Anyone have a strong view on Dasilva? Would he be an upgrade on Robert or Neco (at least in the near term)? What about Huggins? I have seen nothing of both (other than that great goal from Huggins) and so don't have a view. I just know if we continue with 5 at the back (which we look like we need) then we need our wing backs to materially improve if we are to compete as they are currently just not good enough. Neco going on loan somewhere that appreciates him would represent a good start too! Having seen him play a hanful of times for Bristol I would say DaSilva certainly has something to offer us. A natural left sided wingback/fullback with a hatfull of championship games under his belt. The only problem it leaves is whether we play Neco or Roberts at RB. |
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Post by hooky on Nov 19, 2023 17:25:47 GMT
Anyone have a strong view on Dasilva? Would he be an upgrade on Robert or Neco (at least in the near term)? What about Huggins? I have seen nothing of both (other than that great goal from Huggins) and so don't have a view. I just know if we continue with 5 at the back (which we look like we need) then we need our wing backs to materially improve if we are to compete as they are currently just not good enough. Neco going on loan somewhere that appreciates him would represent a good start too! Having seen him play a hanful of times for Bristol I would say DaSilva certainly has something to offer us. A natural left sided wingback/fullback with a hatfull of championship games under his belt. The only problem it leaves is whether we play Neco or Roberts at RB. We know Page will not do it on Tuesday but I really would like to give Dasilva a shot at left back to see if he can improve our effectiveness because something is not working in those areas. I agree Neco vs Roberts on the right hand side - my preference would be Neco versus the weaker teams for sure. Roberts would have been dropped many matches ago in a club team. Page is blinded by loyalty - I wish he would shock me and try Neco and Dasilva versus Turkey (provided Dasilva is showing enough in training to justify it). |
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Post by aberbeeg on Nov 19, 2023 17:41:31 GMT
So you’d sack page now I take it. Genuine question who do you see coming in? and getting better out of a team where half our players can’t get a club game. So we qualify? I think everyone knows the FAW don’t just sack managers Willy nilly BUT there will be a huge cost attached to us not qualifying. I’d give page the play offs but then I can’t see how he could possibly continue ( the fans will have seriously turned by that point). |
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Post by rossyjones on Nov 19, 2023 17:43:51 GMT
For all the people giving it "who else we gonna get", have you all collectively forgotten that Osian Roberts also applied for the position or what?
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Post by aberbeeg on Nov 19, 2023 17:44:21 GMT
Weren’t we the second seeds? At the start of the group we were all quite happy with the draw. Unfortunately having Armenia play us off the park TWICE has lost us our qualifiers. In my opinion we’ve had one great result in the group and outside of that result the rest of the performances have been completely hit n miss. Our results against everyone else have been good enough. It's the Armenia games that have tripped us up completely. Had we even just won the home game we'd be in a great position to qualify But if my Aunt had balls……… the facts are we HAVENT been good enough!! And a team ranked 95th in the world have had our number TWICE!! |
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Post by aberbeeg on Nov 19, 2023 17:50:04 GMT
I think the irony is if we'd flipped it around and got just 1 point against Croatia and 4 points against Armenia (which I think most of us probably expected was the most likely scenario) then we'd be out now. I wouldn't say we've underachieved in this group, the points total going into the final game is exactly what I would have expected going into the campaign. Turkey as 4th seeds is what's really done us over. Any other 4th seed in our group and I think 14 points would be enough. We’ve only played Turkey once so far. Shows what a very average group this is. Such a shame we’ve messed it up big time !! |
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Post by jimexotic on Nov 19, 2023 18:45:46 GMT
I feel like we've been spoiled a bit over the last ten years or so, as much as this is disappointing it's worth remembering that most of us have grown up watching sides with more talent across the park do absolutely nothing in nearly every qualifying group. Page, for his faults, has delivered some big results, it's his sides inability to regularly win the winnable that is where he seems to have come unstuck.
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Post by njdragon on Nov 19, 2023 19:05:10 GMT
He played sheenan against Korea too. Ffs you can’t give him credit for anything. He took a gamble on jj so there were no other midfielders in the entire country? He didn’t have to play him at all It isn't a gamble if he's the most obvious replacement! James had over 50 Championship appearances under his belt by then. I've given Page credit for things I feel he deserves credit for. Playing Jordan James when he was the most obvious replacement for a suspended Morrell is not one of them Do you know anything about welsh football. No most people overlooked him, we played morrell because he could pass a ball like Jordan james can, unlike levitt, Matt smith and many before them. We could have picked like Harris, savage, gone for the likes of king, oli copper, Colwill. But no page played JJ and started him in the first match after they awful double header where we all moaned we were over run in midfield and morrell wasn’t good enough. It worked and it worked with amapadu, jj is hardly a regular in the championship.. |
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Post by fiveattheback on Nov 19, 2023 19:34:40 GMT
It isn't a gamble if he's the most obvious replacement! James had over 50 Championship appearances under his belt by then. I've given Page credit for things I feel he deserves credit for. Playing Jordan James when he was the most obvious replacement for a suspended Morrell is not one of them Do you know anything about welsh football. No most people overlooked him, we played morrell because he could pass a ball like Jordan james can, unlike levitt, Matt smith and many before them. We could have picked like Harris, savage, gone for the likes of king, oli copper, Colwill. But no page played JJ and started him in the first match after they awful double header where we all moaned we were over run in midfield and morrell wasn’t good enough. It worked and it worked with amapadu, jj is hardly a regular in the championship.. What on earth are you going on about? No most people didn't overlook him, most people saw him as the obvious replacement when Morrell got suspended Luke Harris and Rubin Colwill as potential players to come in for Morrell? Have you ever seen either of those two play? Again Cooper is more of an attacking threat than a sitter. King and Savage play at a lower level than James, they were not obvious replacements. Dylan Levitt didn't make the squad due to injury (also, is a pretty decent passer, probably a better one than Morrell) and Matt Smith hasn't made a squad since the World Cup. James was the obvious replacement. I know you like Page so there's no point going round and round with this anymore |
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Post by zserty on Nov 19, 2023 19:40:28 GMT
Having seen him play a hanful of times for Bristol I would say DaSilva certainly has something to offer us. A natural left sided wingback/fullback with a hatfull of championship games under his belt. The only problem it leaves is whether we play Neco or Roberts at RB. We know Page will not do it on Tuesday but I really would like to give Dasilva a shot at left back to see if he can improve our effectiveness because something is not working in those areas. I agree Neco vs Roberts on the right hand side - my preference would be Neco versus the weaker teams for sure. Roberts would have been dropped many matches ago in a club team. Page is blinded by loyalty - I wish he would shock me and try Neco and Dasilva versus Turkey (provided Dasilva is showing enough in training to justify it). I do find Neco perhaps struggles a bit on the left when he gets forward as being a right footer he is dragged into the centre which is the same sort of space Brooks and Wilson want to occupy. With a Wilson type infront of him Dasilva would work well as he would be better suited running on the outside with the view to delivering on his stronger foot rather than having to cutback etc. |
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Post by njdragon on Nov 19, 2023 19:50:38 GMT
Do you know anything about welsh football. No most people overlooked him, we played morrell because he could pass a ball like Jordan james can, unlike levitt, Matt smith and many before them. We could have picked like Harris, savage, gone for the likes of king, oli copper, Colwill. But no page played JJ and started him in the first match after they awful double header where we all moaned we were over run in midfield and morrell wasn’t good enough. It worked and it worked with amapadu, jj is hardly a regular in the championship.. What on earth are you going on about? No most people didn't overlook him, most people saw him as the obvious replacement when Morrell got suspended Luke Harris and Rubin Colwill as potential players to come in for Morrell? Have you ever seen either of those two play? Again Cooper is more of an attacking threat than a sitter. King and Savage play at a lower level than James, they were not obvious replacements. Dylan Levitt didn't make the squad due to injury (also, is a pretty decent passer, probably a better one than Morrell) and Matt Smith hasn't made a squad since the World Cup. James was the obvious replacement. I know you like Page so there's no point going round and round with this anymore haha oh but there is you're so desperate to rewrite history but you forget this forum is basically a diary of everyones thoughts Have a quick look through this and tell me where JJ gets mentioned - its by one person alone. No one else called it... apostlewelshfootie.proboards.com/thread/10959/central-midfield-future?page=1 |
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Post by hooky on Nov 19, 2023 20:06:00 GMT
I mentioned JJ several times as did several others.
As stated the alternatives highlighted are not sitters!
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Post by njdragon on Nov 19, 2023 20:08:34 GMT
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Post by hooky on Nov 19, 2023 20:13:20 GMT
I know what I wrote about Jordan James - I wanted him instead of Morrell (who I saw as a weak link for a very long time) prior to his red card and I certainly had few kind words to say about Sheehan, like any journeyman playing in the lower divisions without the excuse of youth being on their side.
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Post by njdragon on Nov 19, 2023 20:17:20 GMT
I know what I wrote about Jordan James - I wanted him instead of Morrell (who I saw as a weak link for a very long time) prior to his red card and I certainly had few kind words to say about Sheehan, like any journeyman playing in the lower divisions without the excuse of youth being on their side. where did you say this? The only person who called JJ was jangling jack - we all got it wrong |
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Post by fiveattheback on Nov 19, 2023 20:20:26 GMT
What on earth are you going on about? No most people didn't overlook him, most people saw him as the obvious replacement when Morrell got suspended Luke Harris and Rubin Colwill as potential players to come in for Morrell? Have you ever seen either of those two play? Again Cooper is more of an attacking threat than a sitter. King and Savage play at a lower level than James, they were not obvious replacements. Dylan Levitt didn't make the squad due to injury (also, is a pretty decent passer, probably a better one than Morrell) and Matt Smith hasn't made a squad since the World Cup. James was the obvious replacement. I know you like Page so there's no point going round and round with this anymore haha oh but there is you're so desperate to rewrite history but you forget this forum is basically a diary of everyones thoughts Have a quick look through this and tell me where JJ gets mentioned - its by one person alone. No one else called it... apostlewelshfootie.proboards.com/thread/10959/central-midfield-future?page=1So now that we've gone through our midfield options and seen that James was indeed the obvious replacement we're on to discussing what this forum was saying? Great. Anyway there's plenty of mentions of James even though much of that thread is about a year ago and went on to discuss things beyond future midfielders. He's mentioned in both of the first two posts for a start? He wasn't some unknown when he played against Latvia, he had an 8 page thread on here before even kicking a ball for the seniors! Anyway just to keep you happy I'll tell you what I do give Page credit for. I think he came in in an incredibly difficult period, handled himself and the squad very well and topped it off by securing an excellent result against Turkey at the Euros. I think he has, a few strange comments aside, conducted himself well as manager (particularly when all the stuff about Mooney wanting him gone was happening) and clearly cares about Wales. He also used our ageing stars well, I think the way he handled Bale and Ramsey was pretty good in the main |
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Post by njdragon on Nov 19, 2023 20:24:28 GMT
So now that we've gone through our midfield options and seen that James was indeed the obvious replacement we're on to discussing what this forum was saying? Great. Anyway there's plenty of mentions of James even though much of that thread is about a year ago and went on to discuss things beyond future midfielders. He's mentioned in both of the first two posts for a start? He wasn't some unknown when he played against Latvia, he had an 8 page thread on here before even kicking a ball for the seniors! Anyway just to keep you happy I'll tell you what I do give Page credit for. I think he came in in an incredibly difficult period, handled himself and the squad very well and topped it off by securing an excellent result against Turkey at the Euros. I think he has, a few strange comments aside, conducted himself well as manager (particularly when all the stuff about Mooney wanting him gone was happening) and clearly cares about Wales. He also used our ageing stars well, I think the way he handled Bale and Ramsey was pretty good in the main fair enough im going to ignore your first paragraph and agree with he rest  No more arguing about page its in the hands of the gods now. Roll on tuesday! |
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Post by cymro on Nov 19, 2023 20:41:13 GMT
I think the irony is if we'd flipped it around and got just 1 point against Croatia and 4 points against Armenia (which I think most of us probably expected was the most likely scenario) then we'd be out now. I wouldn't say we've underachieved in this group, the points total going into the final game is exactly what I would have expected going into the campaign. Turkey as 4th seeds is what's really done us over. Any other 4th seed in our group and I think 14 points would be enough. We’ve only played Turkey once so far. Shows what a very average group this is. Such a shame we’ve messed it up big time !! I'll add to what's done us over, having an average first seed as well. If we'd drawn France and anyone else as 4th seeds it would have been way better for us! But Armenia were a good 3rd seed to get considering some of the other options so swings and roundabouts. |
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Post by felinessex on Nov 20, 2023 0:59:51 GMT
Thought this was the Rob Page thread ?
Enough, he tried, we’ve failed to qualify. Next.
Asking fans on here to justify sacking Page by nominating their suggested replacement is nonsensical. It’s not our job.
There are highly paid people at the FAW who should already have his replacement lined up.
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Post by melynwy on Nov 20, 2023 8:57:35 GMT
Anyone have a strong view on Dasilva? Would he be an upgrade on Robert or Neco (at least in the near term)? What about Huggins? I have seen nothing of both (other than that great goal from Huggins) and so don't have a view. I just know if we continue with 5 at the back (which we look like we need) then we need our wing backs to materially improve if we are to compete as they are currently just not good enough. Neco going on loan somewhere that appreciates him would represent a good start too! No strong view as I've never really watched him play. However, I would like to see him tried ahead of Neco if we're playing James or Brennan on the left. I don't like that both James & Neco invert - it's very predictable and then teams realise all they have to do is show us inside. It makes the pitch narrower for us in an attacking sense Dasilva is a left footed LWB. So if we're playing a back 5 and James is in front James can cut inside and Dasilva can overlap, playing orthodox crosses. Something we haven't had from that side of the pitch in a long long time. We need to try alternative options now. Connor and Neco seem too comfortable and shouldn't be guarantees in the XI based on recent performances I think we’re being rather unfair on Neco. Yes he had quite a poor game against Armenia, but the previous game against Croatia he was absolutely outstanding - his best performance for Wales I’d say. He can be inconsistent, but he hasn’t been continuously poor over a long period, as Roberts arguably has. |
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Post by cymro on Nov 20, 2023 9:20:17 GMT
Thought this was the Rob Page thread ? Enough, he tried, we’ve failed to qualify. Next. Asking fans on here to justify sacking Page by nominating their suggested replacement is nonsensical. It’s not our job. There are highly paid people at the FAW who should already have his replacement lined up. My point was everyone is sticking the knife in as if Page has had a terrible campaign but before the campaign did anyone expect to achieve more than the following from this group? : Croatia - 1 point Armenia - 4 points Turkey - 3 points Latvia - 6 points Total - 14 We're on track to achieve this total and in most scenarios it would be enough to qualify. Maybe others have higher expectations considering where we are but that's just me. |
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Post by underwood on Nov 20, 2023 10:20:57 GMT
Thought this was the Rob Page thread ? Enough, he tried, we’ve failed to qualify. Next. Asking fans on here to justify sacking Page by nominating their suggested replacement is nonsensical. It’s not our job. There are highly paid people at the FAW who should already have his replacement lined up. I personally think Page will resign before the end of the week. He is a proud man & it was clear how much the situation had got to him pre-Croatia. I think it would be the right decision for him & the team. The Play Offs need a fresh approach. I think we have two short-term options, both of which involve Osian Roberts. These games will be won & lost tactically, so there is nobody better to have on board. Option 1 is for Osian to get Patrick Vieira to join us, sharing with his role at Strasbourg. Option 2 is for there to be a Management Group of Gunter, Ramsey & Bale to work with Osian. Either way, we need something different to at least change the approach in what will effectively be a bit of a lottery in the New Year, because maintaining the status quo isn’t going to get us there. |
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Post by morg on Nov 20, 2023 10:46:05 GMT
Thought this was the Rob Page thread ? Enough, he tried, we’ve failed to qualify. Next. Asking fans on here to justify sacking Page by nominating their suggested replacement is nonsensical. It’s not our job. There are highly paid people at the FAW who should already have his replacement lined up. I personally think Page will resign before the end of the week. He is a proud man & it was clear how much the situation had got to him pre-Croatia. I think it would be the right decision for him & the team. The Play Offs need a fresh approach. I think we have two short-term options, both of which involve Osian Roberts. These games will be won & lost tactically, so there is nobody better to have on board. Option 1 is for Osian to get Patrick Vieira to join us, sharing with his role at Strasbourg. Option 2 is for there to be a Management Group of Gunter, Ramsey & Bale to work with Osian. Either way, we need something different to at least change the approach in what will effectively be a bit of a lottery in the New Year, because maintaining the status quo isn’t going to get us there. Doesn't sound like it? “We need to finish the campaign on a high. It’s important to have some momentum if there is a play-off in March.” I guess things could change if we get spanked and/or Mooney makes his displeasure known again but I reckon Page won't jump until March at the earliest and even then probably not, unless it's a negotiated departure. |
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Post by melynwy on Nov 20, 2023 10:49:52 GMT
Jordan James look way out of his depth yesterday No he didn't, he just didn't have a great game. And he didn't look out of his depth against stronger opposition in Croatia, so what's the point you're making? You can't take one example and disregard the other. He might be inconsistent, in which case it's not a case of being out of his depth. Or either game might have been an isolated exception to the rule, in which case he's possibly not consistently as good as he was against Croatia, or that he's usually better than he was v Armenia. Again not a case of being out of his depth. Or maybe he's 19, with potential but inconsistent, and we just don't know his true level yet. Again not a matter of being out of his depth, because he has performed under pressure against better opposition previously. No, he wasn't as good as he was against Croatia, but who was? It was simply not a good team performance, and he was part of that, but no better or worse than the average I'd say. It was not a performance that really showed a lack of experience or ability - it simply just wasn't great. That happens to 30 year old Premier league regulars or 19 year old Championship hopefuls. |
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Post by janglingjack on Nov 20, 2023 10:51:15 GMT
Can't see page jumping before he is pushed,i mean he is not stupid, where on earth would he hang on to a managerial job in club football this long,bloke probably doesn't believe his luck
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