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Post by ddirpytnop on Nov 30, 2023 17:57:03 GMT
I'm tamping at the way Page keeps overlooking John Charles. The guy's an absolute legend and yet didn't even make it into our squad for the recent qualifying campaign. Disgraceful!!!
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Post by zserty on Nov 30, 2023 18:56:28 GMT
Doesn't help with his baffling omissions from the squads. Chris Maxwell starting for Hdf'd and MOM last night🤔🤔 This is mad, I don't rate Page but this really isn't anything to have a go at him for. Another keeper who rarely plays. 2 games total this season. On another note he should definitely be sacked for not calling up Shaun Macdonald. Plays loads for Penybont. |
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Post by saturn9 on Nov 30, 2023 21:37:19 GMT
Doesn't help with his baffling omissions from the squads. Chris Maxwell starting for Hdf'd and MOM last night🤔🤔 This is mad, I don't rate Page but this really isn't anything to have a go at him for. Another keeper who rarely plays. 2 games total this season. On another note he should definitely be sacked for not calling up Shaun Macdonald. Plays loads for Penybont. Come early March he will play more games than Ward and Davies combined. |
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Post by pclaude on Nov 30, 2023 22:32:41 GMT
That is fair enough - thanks for putting us straight - I must have missed this. Impressions can be wrong - I just base my impressions on what I have seen and Page's comments/reactions - so its good to hear he comes down hard on players who are not playing to an acceptable standard So what is Page's failing in your view and what do you see that gives you confidence that he can learn fast and ensure we do not sleep walk out of the play offs without having done ourselves justice? People like me want to have faith so do share the specifics - the moments / what you have seen / learnt that give you confidence Page will deliver and react in a timely manner for us? I agree with what others have said that his inability to adapt and react to situations in the game is a big weakness. We could all see the other day the subs needed to happen sooner but he couldn't - that's an issue. Another issue I have with him is the tendency to pick a team that does well and then stick with it regardless of the strengths/weaknesses of the opposition, when in reality there needs to be a different approach to different games. So I'm not an avid Page fanboy by any means, I just recognise the reality that we won't sack him before the playoffs, and I do think there are/have been positives to some recent performances For starters he recognised the need to fix the midfield problem and has been brave enough to use JJ and that bravery has fixed what was a huge issue for us pre-Latvia. I like the way we play at home with the 5 at the back, I think that makes us a tough proposition for any side, we've shown that against Croatia & Turkey. I like that the players all like him, and I like that he has a good record in the playoffs - that type of history gives us a psychological edge So there's pro's and con's and I think we need to recognise both to judge him fairly, and to recognise what we need differently when we do move on to a new manager. Whenever Page does leave I will always look back at his tenure fondly; qualifying out of the groups in Euro 2020, promotion to League A, qualifying us for the World Cup - those who constantly call for, and will be glad to see, his sacking come across as spoilt in my view. Not saying that's you, just saying that's how I feel when I hear unbalanced criticism Bit of a correction, it was largely Giggs that got us to League A. The rest of your post is measured and sensible. |
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Post by njdragon on Dec 1, 2023 6:46:06 GMT
The worst thing is it is acceptable if someone has a big limitation perhaps (albeit you would hope they had some tactical intelligence) but then do you not recruit a wise head as part of your coaching team who sees what we all seem to see at an early stage in games to encourage Page to change something? I think Page must see what we see but does not know what to change or is to fearful to change something / does not have the confidence to do so? If Page does not see what we see 'when' we see it then he is not managing the team and is just surviving on passion as a fan. I really do not know what is going on. I no doubt massively underestimate him as he must be learning something as part of this journey! I really hope he gets us to the Euros and shuts the doubters like me up!  It would be very naïve to think that Page and his entire backroom staff don't see these things. I highly doubt that he and his team were standing there watching the game against Turkey around the 60th minute mark and the thought of making some substitutions simply hadn't occurred to him. I also doubt that he was unaware of fatigue levels among the players on the pitch - in fact, I'd even go as far as to say he and his team had a better idea than us. I think it's much more likely that Page and his team were aware of all of these things (and much more than we're able to observe at the time) and simply decided that making substitutions at that point was not the best thing to do. We made substitutions early in the previous game and their impact was very disappointing (including James'). Their impact was again disappointing in the Turkey game, so the evidence isn't that compelling that we lost out because of a failure to make earlier changes. Then there are all sorts of other considerations - Moore may have been carrying a knock or Page might have thought that with a playoff game all but guaranteed irrespective of our result, that it would be better to give Johnson the confidence of playing 90mins and continue with that experiment with the playoff game in mind. "The worst thing is it is acceptable if someone has a big limitation perhaps (albeit you would hope they had some tactical intelligence) but then do you not recruit a wise head as part of your coaching team who sees what we all seem to see at an early stage in games to encourage Page to change something?" I really think you give yourself and the rest of us far too much credit. I highly doubt that our football knowledge and tactical astuteness is greater than Page's and that we see all of these things before Page does (and no one on his team bothers to mention anything either). I think it's much more likely that Page does see these things like the rest of us, sees a lot more and is privy to a lot of info that we don't see, and so makes different decisions on that basis. 100% this! It’s the equivalent of the clueless fan that sits behind me, shouting that moore is doing nothing against Croatia then screaming to bring him on against turkey! |
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Post by winsumluzsum on Dec 1, 2023 16:49:06 GMT
That is fair enough - thanks for putting us straight - I must have missed this. Impressions can be wrong - I just base my impressions on what I have seen and Page's comments/reactions - so its good to hear he comes down hard on players who are not playing to an acceptable standard So what is Page's failing in your view and what do you see that gives you confidence that he can learn fast and ensure we do not sleep walk out of the play offs without having done ourselves justice? People like me want to have faith so do share the specifics - the moments / what you have seen / learnt that give you confidence Page will deliver and react in a timely manner for us? I agree with what others have said that his inability to adapt and react to situations in the game is a big weakness. We could all see the other day the subs needed to happen sooner but he couldn't - that's an issue. Another issue I have with him is the tendency to pick a team that does well and then stick with it regardless of the strengths/weaknesses of the opposition, when in reality there needs to be a different approach to different games. So I'm not an avid Page fanboy by any means, I just recognise the reality that we won't sack him before the playoffs, and I do think there are/have been positives to some recent performances For starters he recognised the need to fix the midfield problem and has been brave enough to use JJ and that bravery has fixed what was a huge issue for us pre-Latvia. I like the way we play at home with the 5 at the back, I think that makes us a tough proposition for any side, we've shown that against Croatia & Turkey. I like that the players all like him, and I like that he has a good record in the playoffs - that type of history gives us a psychological edge So there's pro's and con's and I think we need to recognise both to judge him fairly, and to recognise what we need differently when we do move on to a new manager. Whenever Page does leave I will always look back at his tenure fondly; qualifying out of the groups in Euro 2020, promotion to League A, qualifying us for the World Cup - those who constantly call for, and will be glad to see, his sacking come across as spoilt in my view. Not saying that's you, just saying that's how I feel when I hear unbalanced criticism A beautifully balanced post. Nice to see a bit of balance, rather than the usual binary wonderful/terrible takes on Page. |
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Post by winsumluzsum on Dec 1, 2023 17:02:21 GMT
The worst thing is it is acceptable if someone has a big limitation perhaps (albeit you would hope they had some tactical intelligence) but then do you not recruit a wise head as part of your coaching team who sees what we all seem to see at an early stage in games to encourage Page to change something? I think Page must see what we see but does not know what to change or is to fearful to change something / does not have the confidence to do so? If Page does not see what we see 'when' we see it then he is not managing the team and is just surviving on passion as a fan. I really do not know what is going on. I no doubt massively underestimate him as he must be learning something as part of this journey! I really hope he gets us to the Euros and shuts the doubters like me up!  It would be very naïve to think that Page and his entire backroom staff don't see these things. I highly doubt that he and his team were standing there watching the game against Turkey around the 60th minute mark and the thought of making some substitutions simply hadn't occurred to him. I also doubt that he was unaware of fatigue levels among the players on the pitch - in fact, I'd even go as far as to say he and his team had a better idea than us. I think it's much more likely that Page and his team were aware of all of these things (and much more than we're able to observe at the time) and simply decided that making substitutions at that point was not the best thing to do. We made substitutions early in the previous game and their impact was very disappointing (including James'). Their impact was again disappointing in the Turkey game, so the evidence isn't that compelling that we lost out because of a failure to make earlier changes. Then there are all sorts of other considerations - Moore may have been carrying a knock or Page might have thought that with a playoff game all but guaranteed irrespective of our result, that it would be better to give Johnson the confidence of playing 90mins and continue with that experiment with the playoff game in mind. "The worst thing is it is acceptable if someone has a big limitation perhaps (albeit you would hope they had some tactical intelligence) but then do you not recruit a wise head as part of your coaching team who sees what we all seem to see at an early stage in games to encourage Page to change something?" I really think you give yourself and the rest of us far too much credit. I highly doubt that our football knowledge and tactical astuteness is greater than Page's and that we see all of these things before Page does (and no one on his team bothers to mention anything either). I think it's much more likely that Page does see these things like the rest of us, sees a lot more and is privy to a lot of info that we don't see, and so makes different decisions on that basis. Everything you say is very reasonable, but it's almost as if you're saying that he can't be criticised because he has more facts at his fingertips than us. The bottom line is if we drew that game when a late equaliser from Armenia would have meant a winner for us would have resulted in qualification, then we are entitled to scrutinise his decisions and identity shortcomings. Page gets some things very right (his decision to compress play in the middle third against Croatia was a masterstroke) and others wrong - 5-2-3 was too conservative away to Armenia. In an ideal world he gets praise for the former and stick for the latter. |
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Post by zserty on Dec 1, 2023 21:21:10 GMT
This is mad, I don't rate Page but this really isn't anything to have a go at him for. Another keeper who rarely plays. 2 games total this season. On another note he should definitely be sacked for not calling up Shaun Macdonald. Plays loads for Penybont. Come early March he will play more games than Ward and Davies combined. And if he is a mainstay for Huddersfield between now and then I would assume he would be in contention. Provided Ward and Davies don't pick up loan moves for gametime. Before the last international break Maxwell had played 0 minutes, really not sure how that is a baffling omission? |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Dec 3, 2023 9:36:43 GMT
I agree with what others have said that his inability to adapt and react to situations in the game is a big weakness. We could all see the other day the subs needed to happen sooner but he couldn't - that's an issue. Another issue I have with him is the tendency to pick a team that does well and then stick with it regardless of the strengths/weaknesses of the opposition, when in reality there needs to be a different approach to different games. So I'm not an avid Page fanboy by any means, I just recognise the reality that we won't sack him before the playoffs, and I do think there are/have been positives to some recent performances For starters he recognised the need to fix the midfield problem and has been brave enough to use JJ and that bravery has fixed what was a huge issue for us pre-Latvia. I like the way we play at home with the 5 at the back, I think that makes us a tough proposition for any side, we've shown that against Croatia & Turkey. I like that the players all like him, and I like that he has a good record in the playoffs - that type of history gives us a psychological edge So there's pro's and con's and I think we need to recognise both to judge him fairly, and to recognise what we need differently when we do move on to a new manager. Whenever Page does leave I will always look back at his tenure fondly; qualifying out of the groups in Euro 2020, promotion to League A, qualifying us for the World Cup - those who constantly call for, and will be glad to see, his sacking come across as spoilt in my view. Not saying that's you, just saying that's how I feel when I hear unbalanced criticism Bit of a correction, it was largely Giggs that got us to League A. The rest of your post is measured and sensible. Page did get us over the line in his first camp as manager which was an impressive feat that I do give him credit for |
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Post by johnoster on Dec 7, 2023 14:27:26 GMT
Doesn't help with his baffling omissions from the squads. Chris Maxwell starting for Hdf'd and MOM last night🤔🤔 Rob Page clearly needs a clairvoyant in his team to keep up with the expectations of some of our fans. But how many clairvoyants are eligible for Wales? Has Derek Acorah got a Welsh grandmother by any chance? |
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Post by daearegwr on Jun 21, 2024 7:30:36 GMT
Page sacked - announced today. So who are we going to get as a replacement?
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Post by dai on Jun 21, 2024 8:43:32 GMT
Page sacked - announced today. So who are we going to get as a replacement? Are you talking hypothetically, or do you actually know something? |
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Post by sa73welsh on Jun 21, 2024 8:58:12 GMT
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Post by CrackityJones on Jun 21, 2024 9:04:41 GMT
Looks like his time is up?
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Post by talyfan on Jun 21, 2024 9:12:53 GMT
Didn't think it would actually happen but it was getting to a point where things weren't changing and no sign of an attempt of it either. Interesting to see who we get next
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Post by fireboy0610 on Jun 21, 2024 9:22:18 GMT
Page sacked - announced today. So who are we going to get as a replacement? Are you talking hypothetically, or do you actually know something? Hes gone. Come on Osian come back home brawd. |
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Post by welrus on Jun 21, 2024 9:22:32 GMT
Page sacked - announced today. So who are we going to get as a replacement? Well done, you beat the BBC and Sky |
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Post by pclaude on Jun 21, 2024 9:33:20 GMT
Page sacked - announced today. So who are we going to get as a replacement? Impressive. When you posted this I could not see a mention of this anywhere |
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Post by erasedcitizen on Jun 21, 2024 9:34:26 GMT
Thanks for the memories, and there are some great ones, but ultimately his time was up after the World Cup.
Osian please.
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Post by pclaude on Jun 21, 2024 9:35:02 GMT
Thank you Rob. Got the job under odd circumstances and got us to a WC, and before that out of the group in Euro 2020.
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Post by foxmulder on Jun 21, 2024 9:38:12 GMT
Thank you Rob.
A man who will be etched into the Welsh history books. I feel sad for him, but it was the correct decision.
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Post by CrackityJones on Jun 21, 2024 9:39:10 GMT
Yep worth remembering the shit circumstances he took over, steadied the ship and got us to the World Cup.
Diolch yn fawr Rob
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Post by surge on Jun 21, 2024 9:40:05 GMT
Thank you Rob Page. You came in at a point where things could have fallen apart due without us ever getting to a World Cup, you helped get us there and you helped set us up for the future.
It wasn't perfect and almost defintely the right time to part ways.
I hope people can see the good work you put in now they don't have to represent a "Page out" viewpoint.
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Post by cymro on Jun 21, 2024 9:44:27 GMT
Diolch Rob - the time is right to move on but qualifying for the last 16 of Euro 2020 with a game to spare and getting to the world cup will go down in history.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jun 21, 2024 9:49:23 GMT
Diolch yn fawr Pagey! I will always remember being at the Austria & Ukraine games - some of the best experiences of my life being in that crowd. Seeing Wales at a World Cup for the first time is something special that I will always hold dear to me. Thank you for the memories & you deserve your place in our history books
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Post by iantov on Jun 21, 2024 9:53:35 GMT
I am pleased to see so many people, so far, thanking him for taking us to the World Cup and Euros finals.
I also believe that the time is right for him to be relieved of his duties (I didn't think he'd walk) but thank you Rob Page and Team for making my dreams come true. I can honestly say that France 2016 was one of the best times of my life with Qatar not far behind.
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Post by 1gwaunview on Jun 21, 2024 9:58:10 GMT
In some ways sorry it came to this. Decent man, but with the very poor friendly performances and other results, he seemed to have lost the dressing room very recently, I think, and many fans backing. If that happens then there's only one possible conclusion. Diolch Rob.
Time for Osian gobeitho!!!
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Post by njdragon on Jun 21, 2024 10:03:35 GMT
he can walk away with his head held high, history books will be kind to him. Think he was exceptional
got to be Osian now and i hope they've tapped him up already
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Post by cynonvalley on Jun 21, 2024 10:06:59 GMT
Finally.
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Post by Counting Crows on Jun 21, 2024 10:20:51 GMT
Approach Zlatko Dalić when his aging Croatia team fail to make the knock-out rounds.
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