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Post by gtm911 on Jun 21, 2024 10:23:00 GMT
Gutted for Page as I would have given him the Nations League to rectify it. He deserved at least that much for what he had done for us. Tell you who I think would be great as a replacement, Jurgen Klinsmann. Pure international footy manager and the last time I saw him being interviewed while managing South Korea, he really seemed to have an affinity for Wales. Does our next manager need to be Welsh? I think our footy culture is strong enough to make any manager work within that framework instead of trying to change everything too much.
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Post by marsvolta on Jun 21, 2024 10:24:17 GMT
Great to see so many positive messages thanking him.
Proves that it’s totally possible to simultaneously think it’s the right decision whilst thanking him for the good times.
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Post by superunknown on Jun 21, 2024 10:28:52 GMT
Thanks for everything Rob, as said memories to treasure for a lifetime but definitely the right time to go, the Nations League could have got nasty and nobody wants that.
Time to move forward, all eyes on the FAW to get this right.
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Post by talyfan on Jun 21, 2024 10:28:55 GMT
Gutted for Page as I would have given him the Nations League to rectify it. He deserved at least that much for what he had done for us. Tell you who I think would be great as a replacement, Jurgen Klinsmann. Pure international footy manager and the last time I saw him being interviewed while managing South Korea, he really seemed to have an affinity for Wales. Does our next manager need to be Welsh? I think our footy culture is strong enough to make any manager work within that framework instead of trying to change everything too much. He'd be a nightmare. Too busy living in California when was coaching South Korea. Don't think he'd give us much commitment other than being committed to getting a paycheck. |
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Post by dai on Jun 21, 2024 10:30:46 GMT
Well, that's a shock. I thought daearegwr was being hypothetical.
Diolch for getting us to the World Cup Rob, and for steadying the ship after Giggs.
Still think he should've gone after the World Cup - for his wellbeing and for the squad. It's unfortunate things have developed into this toxic state between fans and the manager/FAW as a result of poor decision making.
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Post by reyrey on Jun 21, 2024 10:30:54 GMT
He can hold his head up high.
Good man but at the same coaching level as every junior coach I have ever had.
Pick the best 11 and hope for the best.
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Post by jono on Jun 21, 2024 10:33:22 GMT
Those 2 nights against Austria and Ukraine are 2 of the best nights of our lives and for that will be forever grateful.
Ultimately the Armenia, Poland, Gibraltar and Slovakia debacles since means we've come to this point, sadly.
Diolch Rob.
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Post by robwrecsam on Jun 21, 2024 10:42:17 GMT
Should have gone after the World Cup imo but hindsight and all that. Seems a decent guy so hopefully gets something else lined up soon
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Post by iot on Jun 21, 2024 10:59:57 GMT
The right call given the complete breakdown in relationship with the fans coupled with some of the mistakes he's made.
He'll go down in the history books as the first person to take us to the World Cup in 64 years, and the first person ever to do it properly through the qualification process.
Maybe I'm too sensitive but I really feel for him. I just don't like all the shit he's had to put up with despite the historic achievement. I hope it hasn't soured things for him and that he'll get the credit he deserves and can take pride in his work when he looks back at it after the dust has settled.
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Post by quetzal on Jun 21, 2024 11:15:08 GMT
People saying he should have gone after the World Cup but we had the farce in the World Cup of Bale, Ramsey and Allen not being fit. Probably swung it in his favour with the 4 year contract. Would have been a brave man to put Bale and Ramsey on the bench.
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Post by conwy10 on Jun 21, 2024 11:21:42 GMT
It was the right time. Anything longer was just a stay of execution. What he's done is amazing, but it was all going in the wrong direction. We did what we did with one of the best talents in the world but needed new ideas when he went.
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Post by iot on Jun 21, 2024 11:22:20 GMT
People saying he should have gone after the World Cup but we had the farce in the World Cup of Bale, Ramsey and Allen not being fit. Probably swung it in his favour with the 4 year contract. Would have been a brave man to put Bale and Ramsey on the bench. Yeah it's a ridiculous statement. Page comes in before the Euros and helps us get promoted to League A of the Nations League, then surpasses expectations at the Euros, then qualifies for the World Cup, and then because we were poor at the World Cup people are saying he should have been immediately sacked at that point. That sort of ruthlessness and overreaction would make the likes of Roman Abramovich blush |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jun 21, 2024 11:28:09 GMT
People saying he should have gone after the World Cup but we had the farce in the World Cup of Bale, Ramsey and Allen not being fit. Probably swung it in his favour with the 4 year contract. Would have been a brave man to put Bale and Ramsey on the bench. Yeah it's a ridiculous statement. Page comes in before the Euros and helps us get promoted to League A of the Nations League, then surpasses expectations at the Euros, then qualifies for the World Cup, and then because we were poor at the World Cup people are saying he should have been immediately sacked at that point. That sort of ruthlessness and overreaction would make the likes of Roman Abramovich blush Completely agree! People who think he should have gone after the World Cup I can't understand. It's an emotional argument as a reaction to a poor showing on the world stage, but it would not have been justified to sack him at that point A shorter contract should have been given, yes, but sacking him then absolutely not |
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Post by dai on Jun 21, 2024 11:30:36 GMT
I wonder if the FAW have already sorted a new manager out, and that's why a decision on Page has taken a few weeks.
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Post by cadno on Jun 21, 2024 11:35:58 GMT
Yeah it's a ridiculous statement. Page comes in before the Euros and helps us get promoted to League A of the Nations League, then surpasses expectations at the Euros, then qualifies for the World Cup, and then because we were poor at the World Cup people are saying he should have been immediately sacked at that point. That sort of ruthlessness and overreaction would make the likes of Roman Abramovich blush Completely agree! People who think he should have gone after the World Cup I can't understand. It's an emotional argument as a reaction to a poor showing on the world stage, but it would not have been justified to sack him at that point A shorter contract should have been given, yes, but sacking him then absolutely not Should’ve gone after the World Cup imo, signs were there for a long time. Thanks for taking us to the WC Rob well done and good luck to him in the future |
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Post by robwrecsam on Jun 21, 2024 11:38:36 GMT
Yeah it's a ridiculous statement. Page comes in before the Euros and helps us get promoted to League A of the Nations League, then surpasses expectations at the Euros, then qualifies for the World Cup, and then because we were poor at the World Cup people are saying he should have been immediately sacked at that point. That sort of ruthlessness and overreaction would make the likes of Roman Abramovich blush Completely agree! People who think he should have gone after the World Cup I can't understand. It's an emotional argument as a reaction to a poor showing on the world stage, but it would not have been justified to sack him at that point A shorter contract should have been given, yes, but sacking him then absolutely not That’s why I said with hindsight he should have gone after the WC, much easier looking back with what we know now isn’t it? |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jun 21, 2024 11:43:26 GMT
Completely agree! People who think he should have gone after the World Cup I can't understand. It's an emotional argument as a reaction to a poor showing on the world stage, but it would not have been justified to sack him at that point A shorter contract should have been given, yes, but sacking him then absolutely not Should’ve gone after the World Cup imo, signs were there for a long time. Thanks for taking us to the WC Rob well done and good luck to him in the future The signs weren't really there though |
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Post by daearegwr on Jun 21, 2024 11:45:28 GMT
Feels like the right time for him to go - there was no sign of results improving and I think missing out on the Euros was a massive failure really. Gives the new manager a nations league campaign to try and consolidate our position in League B before the next World Cup qualifying campaign
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Post by quetzal on Jun 21, 2024 12:08:05 GMT
Just looking at some stuff on twitter and seeing Ramsey embrace Page after Ukraine game in the rain brought back the memory of leaving the stadium that day in the rain. Cymru finally made it to the World Cup. And the trip from Guatemala to Qatar was so exciting. A childhood dream being realised at the age of 46. Thank you Rob Page. Diolch yn Fawr.
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Post by cadno on Jun 21, 2024 12:12:17 GMT
Should’ve gone after the World Cup imo, signs were there for a long time. Thanks for taking us to the WC Rob well done and good luck to him in the future The signs weren't really there though They were, since euro 2020, poor performances, excuses, poor communication, falling out with clubs etc |
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Post by rushy on Jun 21, 2024 12:36:29 GMT
Yes Page did his best but unfortunately it was not enough, it will be interesting to see what his next appointment is, that will be important for him.
The surprising thing is that the FAW are willing to pay Pages' remaining contract and then obviously have to agree a similar deal or better for the new manager, that's a big hit on their revenue no doubt.
However it is the right decision at the right time, I'd prefer someone with experience to push the squad forward with a fresh approach but we'll see.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jun 21, 2024 13:11:50 GMT
The signs weren't really there though They were, since euro 2020, poor performances, excuses, poor communication, falling out with clubs etc After Euro 2020 we came 2nd in a World Cup group and then qualified by winning 2 high pressure playoff games. We also put in respectable performances in a Nations League A campaign with our 2nd/3rd strength side - not sure how any of that is sackably poor? |
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Post by njdragon on Jun 21, 2024 13:14:39 GMT
The signs weren't really there though They were, since euro 2020, poor performances, excuses, poor communication, falling out with clubs etc poor communication and falling out with clubs?? |
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Post by hooky on Jun 21, 2024 13:40:26 GMT
They were, since euro 2020, poor performances, excuses, poor communication, falling out with clubs etc After Euro 2020 we came 2nd in a World Cup group and then qualified by winning 2 high pressure playoff games. We also put in respectable performances in a Nations League A campaign with our 2nd/3rd strength side - not sure how any of that is sackably poor? WC group Struggled at home to Estonia (0-0) and Bale bailed us out versus Belarus away (where he played Gunter against our wishes, who game a penalty away). Without Bale we would have lost Czech Republic (home) - 1-0- very lucky, as they outplayed us for large parts - even when they were down to 10 men we struggled. Dan James key man again Czech Republic (away) - great performance and result BUT Ramsay had a massive game and James delivered again Belgium at home - lets be honest - they were already on the plane Austria - Bale was the difference with 'individual' magic Ukraine - Bale again but we all agree we were extremely lucky with our goal and to keep Ukraine out as Hennesey also had the game of his life I give Page credit for keeping us together following Giggs letting us down but lets be honest we played dire football in most of those Nations League games when we got promoted (which he could take credit for) where late goals and not tactical masterclasses were a theme The biggest red flag in respect to Page was we often struggled against very low ranked teams. We seemed to have no idea of how to brake them down and relied on the magic of Bale By the time we were heading to the WC many of us had worked out that Page was not actually making a difference to the squad, questioned where his approach was a bit unprofessional (intensity of camps, good characters for the squad prioritised, etc) and questioned whether his tactical approach was a failure. Despite this the WC performance were a shocker - its still unbelievable to me how unfit we looked compared to everybody. Then we have seen the failures since, while the quality of his coaching team has deteriorated and become less international and narrower I appreciate he held things together but its sad we have wasted the last 2 years through the WC up until now with extremely poor management, coaching and a lack of any tactical game plan or someone capable of changing things when they were not working. he also failed to develop our bench options I know we have an average team now but still look at how well many average European teams have been doing in the last 2 years, thanks to being set up properly and having a clear game plan and managers who look like they know what they are doing! I do wish Page well though as he is a nice man. He can take credit from the fact that he will always be positively referenced in the history of Welsh football |
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Post by winsumluzsum on Jun 21, 2024 14:25:49 GMT
I think the history books will regard Page’s tenure favourably. He far exceeded my admittedly low expectations, but regardless of my expectations I think his overall record is a decent one. Yes, we can pick his record apart and come up with plenty of instances where he got things wrong. But there is a big picture here. When most of us think of Coleman's time in charge most will think first and foremost of Euro 2016, rather than the 6-1 defeat to Serbia or our failure to even finish above ROI in the 2018 World Cup campaign. I think with the passage of time Page's time in charge will be seen in a similar positive light.
Diolch Rob.
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Post by iot on Jun 21, 2024 14:28:05 GMT
After Euro 2020 we came 2nd in a World Cup group and then qualified by winning 2 high pressure playoff games. We also put in respectable performances in a Nations League A campaign with our 2nd/3rd strength side - not sure how any of that is sackably poor? WC group Struggled at home to Estonia (0-0) and Bale bailed us out versus Belarus away (where he played Gunter against our wishes, who game a penalty away). Without Bale we would have lost Czech Republic (home) - 1-0- very lucky, as they outplayed us for large parts - even when they were down to 10 men we struggled. Dan James key man again Czech Republic (away) - great performance and result BUT Ramsay had a massive game and James delivered again Belgium at home - lets be honest - they were already on the plane Austria - Bale was the difference with 'individual' magic Ukraine - Bale again but we all agree we were extremely lucky with our goal and to keep Ukraine out as Hennesey also had the game of his life I give Page credit for keeping us together following Giggs letting us down but lets be honest we played dire football in most of those Nations League games when we got promoted (which he could take credit for) where late goals and not tactical masterclasses were a theme The biggest red flag in respect to Page was we often struggled against very low ranked teams. We seemed to have no idea of how to brake them down and relied on the magic of Bale By the time we were heading to the WC many of us had worked out that Page was not actually making a difference to the squad, questioned where his approach was a bit unprofessional (intensity of camps, good characters for the squad prioritised, etc) and questioned whether his tactical approach was a failure. Despite this the WC performance were a shocker - its still unbelievable to me how unfit we looked compared to everybody. Then we have seen the failures since, while the quality of his coaching team has deteriorated and become less international and narrower I appreciate he held things together but its sad we have wasted the last 2 years through the WC up until now with extremely poor management, coaching and a lack of any tactical game plan or someone capable of changing things when they were not working. he also failed to develop our bench options I know we have an average team now but still look at how well many average European teams have been doing in the last 2 years, thanks to being set up properly and having a clear game plan and managers who look like they know what they are doing! I do wish Page well though as he is a nice man. He can take credit from the fact that he will always be positively referenced in the history of Welsh football This giving Bale all the credit for getting us through the playoffs attitude needs to get in the bin. We also only had such a favourable draw because we finished ahead of Czech in the group. Bale was way past his best during the course of the campaign, as was Ramsey. Page got us qualified despite that. Coleman failed in 2018 with a much better side. The 2022 WC qualification was basically just as difficult as every other WC qualification format in recent decades. Page succeeded where no other has and he deserves a lot more credit for it than people are willing to give. |
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Post by cadno on Jun 21, 2024 14:42:50 GMT
They were, since euro 2020, poor performances, excuses, poor communication, falling out with clubs etc After Euro 2020 we came 2nd in a World Cup group and then qualified by winning 2 high pressure playoff games. We also put in respectable performances in a Nations League A campaign with our 2nd/3rd strength side - not sure how any of that is sackably poor? I just remember crap performances, Denmark, Estonia, some others, there’s been a lot of football! Rubbish communication with the media, the opposite of inspiring, ‘little old wales’ mentality. Rubbish communication with Cooper when he was at Swansea, and upset some other managers/clubs. Retirements, one minute says Joe Allen is huge part of Euro 2024 plans the next he retires. Terrible World Cup, lucky to get there, Ukraine battered us. Got there fair play but it showed we were lucky. A new manager long overdue, hopefully the FAW can appoint someone tidy that gets the group of players organised and inspired, it’s been rubbish overall the last few years imo. |
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Post by surge on Jun 21, 2024 16:43:36 GMT
I think the highlight for Page was him speaking in his home town before World Cup. It was off the back of a successful qualification round, in which we performed better than Giggs did in his Euros qualification, he got the tone of messaging right and surely a personal highlight. However, this was off the back of success previous to World Cup campaign and in really difficult circumstances.
I am more sympathetic than most for the Armenia home game and Poland play-offs game + I think history will be sympathetic too given our options at the time. Iran at World Cup, Armenia away and two recent friendlies were all very hard to take.
Ultimately the conversation became about should he stay/when should he go and it's very difficult to recover from that.
The next manager (and backroom staff) face several challenges and I don't think Page could have survived those. It was either now or at an inconvenient time really.
Think I will give it some time before posting again in this thread. We all know each other too well now!!
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Post by felinessex on Jun 22, 2024 0:48:37 GMT
I wonder if the FAW have already sorted a new manager out, and that's why a decision on Page has taken a few weeks. Whilst I have been a long-time critic of Page’s international management ability, the timing of his sacking is bizarre. If the result of 2 largely meaningless friendlies was the catalyst, it speaks volumes about the FAW’s lack of professionalism. Those games really didn’t matter in the bigger scheme of things. Key players weren’t available and those that were, no doubt equally as deflated as the fans. The show was over for us when we didn’t qualify for the Euros. What was their thinking when we failed to qualify ? Steady as she goes lads, red wine for me please waiter, let’s wait and see if there’s any flak heading our way, before we rush into any hasty decisions. So if Page had gone all out to beat Gibraltar and maybe draw with Slovakia, he could still be our manager ? Oops the new Red Wall memberships aren’t selling too well ? It’s as important that we challenge the decision making blazers, rather than allow them to make Page their scapegoat. |
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Post by quetzal on Jun 22, 2024 1:32:25 GMT
I wonder if the FAW have already sorted a new manager out, and that's why a decision on Page has taken a few weeks. Whilst I have been a long-time critic of Page’s international management ability, the timing of his sacking is bizarre. If the result of 2 largely meaningless friendlies was the catalyst, it speaks volumes about the FAW’s lack of professionalism. Those games really didn’t matter in the bigger scheme of things. Key players weren’t available and those that were, no doubt equally as deflated as the fans. The show was over for us when we didn’t qualify for the Euros. What was their thinking when we failed to qualify ? Steady as she goes lads, red wine for me please waiter, let’s wait and see if there’s any flak heading our way, before we rush into any hasty decisions. So if Page had gone all out to beat Gibraltar and maybe draw with Slovakia, he could still be our manager ? Oops the new Red Wall memberships aren’t selling too well ? It’s as important that we challenge the decision making blazers, rather than allow them to make Page their scapegoat. I said it here a few weeks ago. Wales is not like a Rep Of Ireland where 30000 or 40000 will show up no matter how bad things are. We would quickly go down to 8000-12000 or even 4000. We’re a fickle bunch here. FAW weighed up the boos in Gibraltar and Slovakia, weighed up performances and have pulled the trigger! |
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