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Post by jimexotic on Apr 7, 2023 21:24:06 GMT
Maybe if we let him off the shackles more he'd do that for us occasionally, I think we just play a different system, there were hints of it though against Latvia.
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Post by iot on Apr 7, 2023 21:32:00 GMT
Proper strikers goal that, drifted into the box and finished it like a poacher I think it's a case of him knowing his role really well in that Burnley system, but being a bit unsure how to play differently with us. You almost think we need to look at what Burnley are doing and how they use him in order for us to get the best out of him, because next season he's going to be a Premier League full back and should be one of the first names on the team sheet for us Don't think he's unsure how to play that role for us when he's been playing that role for us and for his clubs 95% of his career - it's just the traditional RB / RWB role. Not sure how what you suggest would work in practice either. Burnley play a completely fluid formation using several different shapes within each game. As part of that, Connor often has a bit of a free role, takes up lots of positions in midfield, and can make central runs into the box as he did tonight. How would that work in our more traditionally structured system? Or are you suggesting we should adopt a similarly fluid system to make the best use of Connor's talent? If so, I'm not sure how that would be feasible within the limited time the coaching staff have to get their ideas across during international windows. |
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Post by dai on Apr 7, 2023 21:43:24 GMT
Interesting to see that he seems to play with a lot more 'hwyl' for Burnley than with us........
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Post by rushy on Apr 8, 2023 8:22:16 GMT
Interesting to see that he seems to play with a lot more 'hwyl' for Burnley than with us........ Ever since he did that post WC interview and his subsequent performances that have been mediocre to say the least, I don't get him, whether it's an attitude thing or whatever as he appears to have more freedom to play in the opposing half for Burnley than for us. |
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Post by fireboy0610 on Apr 8, 2023 9:28:18 GMT
Interesting to see that he seems to play with a lot more 'hwyl' for Burnley than with us........ Ever since he did that post WC interview and his subsequent performances that have been mediocre to say the least, I don't get him, whether it's an attitude thing or whatever as he appears to have more freedom to play in the opposing half for Burnley than for us. I dont get this connor bashing, he definitely gets more freedom for burnley, burnley have a fantastic squad and the championship is poor, there us no way he could play with the freedom he plays at burnley with us. |
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Post by jimexotic on Apr 8, 2023 10:25:51 GMT
That is an issue across the World with footballers at international level, nobody really replicates their club form fo their country unless they're a generational talent and largely just do their own thing. Expecting a right back to play in the free and attacking manner that he does for his club in a team that he gets a week or two to train with every now and again is probably a bit much. It could happen in time and I want to trust the process that the Wales team is going through but these things take time.
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Post by cadno on Apr 8, 2023 11:16:12 GMT
Was he poor for us? I thought he played well
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Post by iot on Apr 8, 2023 11:59:31 GMT
Was he poor for us? I thought he played well Probably our poorest player during the 2 games and at the World Cup (and that says a lot!). Uncharacteristically poor on the ball, losing possession multiple times which directly led to several good opportunities to the opposition, very rarely played progressive balls even though he's capable of it; his crossing was extremely poor and he offered next to nothing in attack. I have no idea how you came to that conclusion tbh. |
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Post by jimexotic on Apr 8, 2023 12:11:33 GMT
Pretty much everyone played like they were running in treacle for most of the World Cup so I wouldn't single Connor out, I think in the Iran game, when they played in a completely different way to the passive and half arsed mess that let a first gear England beat them 6-2, we just lost our attacking confidence and got further and further pegged back which didn't help our full backs. Against England, where he ended up shifting over to left back, he had a shocker but then a lot of them did.
The World Cup is behind us now and we move forward. Two games, 4 points and a kind of new look side, let's see how this lot grow, I think Roberts has a few years as first choice in him yet and his two tournament and 2 successful qualifying campaign experience could prove to be invaluable.
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Post by fiveattheback on Apr 8, 2023 13:14:56 GMT
Was he poor for us? I thought he played well Probably our poorest player during the 2 games and at the World Cup (and that says a lot!). Uncharacteristically poor on the ball, losing possession multiple times which directly led to several good opportunities to the opposition, very rarely played progressive balls even though he's capable of it; his crossing was extremely poor and he offered next to nothing in attack. I have no idea how you came to that conclusion tbh. Yeah, it's also why I find the talk of playing him in a different way to suit him a bit odd. The mistakes he was making were simple, basic errors that have nothing to do with the system we play |
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Post by jbt95 on Apr 8, 2023 15:03:29 GMT
New look side? The least cap player v Latvia was Neco Williams, 27 caps, a Euro and World Cup!! |
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Post by fiveattheback on Apr 8, 2023 15:52:27 GMT
Pretty much everyone played like they were running in treacle for most of the World Cup so I wouldn't single Connor out, I think in the Iran game, when they played in a completely different way to the passive and half arsed mess that let a first gear England beat them 6-2, we just lost our attacking confidence and got further and further pegged back which didn't help our full backs. Against England, where he ended up shifting over to left back, he had a shocker but then a lot of them did. The World Cup is behind us now and we move forward. Two games, 4 points and a kind of new look side, let's see how this lot grow, I think Roberts has a few years as first choice in him yet and his two tournament and 2 successful qualifying campaign experience could prove to be invaluable. Didn't every one of our starters last month qualify for and play in a Euros & World Cup? It isn't a new look side |
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Post by jimexotic on Apr 8, 2023 15:58:24 GMT
Kind of new look - No Bale, who has been our main man for the last ten years+.
Kind of new look - No Joe Allen, who has been our main deeper lying midfielder for the last ten years+
Two key players, 20% of the outfield starting eleven, gone for good. It's kind of a new look side as a result as we're having to change our style of play to a certain degree.
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Post by manulike on Apr 8, 2023 17:59:16 GMT
#People.Please.Stop
#Team.Connor
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Post by cadno on Apr 8, 2023 19:14:05 GMT
Was he poor for us? I thought he played well Probably our poorest player during the 2 games and at the World Cup (and that says a lot!). Uncharacteristically poor on the ball, losing possession multiple times which directly led to several good opportunities to the opposition, very rarely played progressive balls even though he's capable of it; his crossing was extremely poor and he offered next to nothing in attack. I have no idea how you came to that conclusion tbh. Page got things wrong at the World Cup, the entire team was shambolic and the systems or tactics were disastrous. I was talking about the last 2 games anyway, I thought Connor was fine, didn’t really put a foot wrong. 7/10 Croatia maybe 6.5 Latvia, defensively completely sound which is the main thing & got up and down the pitch. Neco was very good; can’t see Ben Davies getting out of tight areas & dribbling the ball into the opposition half like they do, different kind of player, will go more direct or looking for feet (if it’s a back 4) |
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Post by iot on Apr 8, 2023 21:12:49 GMT
Probably our poorest player during the 2 games and at the World Cup (and that says a lot!). Uncharacteristically poor on the ball, losing possession multiple times which directly led to several good opportunities to the opposition, very rarely played progressive balls even though he's capable of it; his crossing was extremely poor and he offered next to nothing in attack. I have no idea how you came to that conclusion tbh. Page got things wrong at the World Cup, the entire team was shambolic and the systems or tactics were disastrous. I was talking about the last 2 games anyway, I thought Connor was fine, didn’t really put a foot wrong. 7/10 Croatia maybe 6.5 Latvia, defensively completely sound which is the main thing & got up and down the pitch. Neco was very good; can’t see Ben Davies getting out of tight areas & dribbling the ball into the opposition half like they do, different kind of player, will go more direct or looking for feet (if it’s a back 4) I don't know how you can say he didn't put a foot wrong when I can think of specific instances where his mistakes directly led to very good chances for the opposition. He also generally lost possession quite poorly in both games, and his crossing was woeful. |
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Post by cadno on Apr 8, 2023 22:16:37 GMT
Page got things wrong at the World Cup, the entire team was shambolic and the systems or tactics were disastrous. I was talking about the last 2 games anyway, I thought Connor was fine, didn’t really put a foot wrong. 7/10 Croatia maybe 6.5 Latvia, defensively completely sound which is the main thing & got up and down the pitch. Neco was very good; can’t see Ben Davies getting out of tight areas & dribbling the ball into the opposition half like they do, different kind of player, will go more direct or looking for feet (if it’s a back 4) I don't know how you can say he didn't put a foot wrong when I can think of specific instances where his mistakes directly led to very good chances for the opposition. He also generally lost possession quite poorly in both games, and his crossing was woeful. Disagree, I thought he was fine. 85% pass success rate against Latvia 70% against Croatia away, similar to Neco (73%) He was full of running and conceded 1 goal in 180 minutes |
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Post by manulike on Apr 9, 2023 10:14:09 GMT
I may not be the most technically inclined analyst on here.
So I don't pretend to speak about Connor's skills - generally, or in specific games.
But some people on here have questioned his loyalty to the shirt and motivation - There are precious few players more loyal or more motivated than Connor. We are blessed to have him. I'll have Connor over TAA or Kyle Walker every day!
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Post by rushy on Apr 9, 2023 11:01:03 GMT
It should be obvious to everyone the contrast in performances for his club and country, which has little to do with motivation, what it shows is how more productive he can be when used in a positive tactical setup, which could be said about others too. However I get the reluctance Page has to over commit too many players forward, but our issue is always going to be scoring goals under this regime.
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Post by manulike on Jun 15, 2023 20:20:10 GMT
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Post by morg on Aug 11, 2023 18:09:16 GMT
Starts against City. All the best Connor!
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Post by dai on Sept 6, 2023 17:13:17 GMT
I know I'm a cynical tw@t, so it's ironic of me to call these things out, however I've never heard our players speak so negatively and defeatist as this before. Roberts sounds f*cking depressed. Get a manager in who can inspire this generation of players, not constantly undermine and remind them of how shit they/we are all the time.
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Post by vaulksthrowfanclub on Sept 6, 2023 17:28:04 GMT
What an awful statement from Connor. The whole senior set-up’s rotting, and the blazers are seemingly complicit.
£28 for a friendly is crazy. Let alone a friendly with a squad and management team who’d rather not be there.
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Post by jimexotic on Sept 6, 2023 19:38:42 GMT
This is shades of the Gould era. Even if you think it, Connor, don't say it, it's bloody stupid.
It's stuff like this that leaves me feeling like it's the end and by that I mean decades of mediocrity to follow with the odd generational talent completely wasted.
You should go into every game wanting to win, this mentality breeds losers.
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Post by aberbeeg on Sept 6, 2023 20:42:08 GMT
The end is near for Page and Co……the whole set up now is beginning to stink of a 3rd division/ non league set up.
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Post by jimexotic on Sept 6, 2023 21:07:29 GMT
What bothers me most about this is that I'm a really big fan of Roberts and I was hoping he'd be a key character in helping this transition, what he's saying is totally defeatist. If I was in that squad I would bring this up in camp and make my feelings clear, we need a bit of a passionate hothead like Bellamy to confront stuff like this.
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Post by dai on Sept 6, 2023 21:28:39 GMT
S4C/Sgorio have since removed the Connor Roberts interview.......strange.
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Post by zserty on Sept 7, 2023 8:10:27 GMT
What bothers me most about this is that I'm a really big fan of Roberts and I was hoping he'd be a key character in helping this transition, what he's saying is totally defeatist. If I was in that squad I would bring this up in camp and make my feelings clear, we need a bit of a passionate hothead like Bellamy to confront stuff like this. Clearly Roberts is just voicing the mood in the camp, terrible stuff pregame talking about not qualifying and losing. Drastic changes are needed. |
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Post by iot on Sept 18, 2023 20:46:55 GMT
Played well tonight. That right back / centre mid hybrid role really suits him.
If we had a more innovative manager, we could probably test it out in the Gibraltar friendly, so that we'd have Connor as right back and Neco in front of him out of possession, but Connor moving in field and Neco staying wide in possession. It could make us more solid against Croatia with two full backs down that flank out of possession, an extra man in midfield in possession, and it would give Neco a tonne of space. Obviously won't happen though
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Post by allezlesrouges on Sept 20, 2023 11:39:23 GMT
Played well tonight. That right back / centre mid hybrid role really suits him. If we had a more innovative manager, we could probably test it out in the Gibraltar friendly, so that we'd have Connor as right back and Neco in front of him out of possession, but Connor moving in field and Neco staying wide in possession. It could make us more solid against Croatia with two full backs down that flank out of possession, an extra man in midfield in possession, and it would give Neco a tonne of space. Obviously won't happen though This is the way the game is going and most teams will be doing it soon enough. It just creates so many overloads. Pep is already adapting it too to incorporate Ederson into the defensive line. A really good video about it below As you've said we've got the players to be able to do this, just not the coaching set up. I've always also thought Ampadu would be the perfect hybrid between a CB/CDM and we could employ an interesting tactic around him stepping up/stepping back. Again though we've not had the coach to do it www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRhBrioRels&ab_channel=TifoIRL |
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