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Post by pclaude on Apr 19, 2022 17:23:23 GMT
Some overreactions here I think. Yes he hasn't lived up to his potential yet, but saying he needs to drop down to the National League is a bit extreme! I'm sure he could easily be a regular starter in League One. The only reason his previous loans at that level failed were because of injury. His contract expires at the end of the season and I'm sure he'll have a long queue of League One clubs after him, and probably even a few Championship ones who fancy a low risk high reward punt. The only League Two club I'll accept him going to is Wrexham if they get promoted. I'm hoping he'll abroad though. Following Rabbi to Belgium wouldn't be a bad option. He must have had a decent agent as it wasn’t a shit contract he signed in 2017. Whether said agent still represents him who knows. I suspect a move abroad would do him good. |
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Post by conwy10 on Apr 19, 2022 17:47:22 GMT
He might just not be destined to reach the top. Fair play for his contributions against Austria and Moldova getting us points. But is there anything in his game that suggests he's better than he is playing at?
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Post by jimexotic on Apr 19, 2022 17:54:26 GMT
The SPL is largely the same level of quality as League One and the top half of League Two, look at Adam Rooney's career as a very good example of this. For one reason or another Ben isn't pulling up any trees in that league and I think it might take a complete career reset to get things going again. He could do far, far worse than go to Wrexham and be part of what could be a very special journey. Put it this way, I think it would be better for his long term club and Country career to join Wrexham than it would to mess around on the bench in the Championship or go to somewhere like MK Dons or Charlton in League One.
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Post by robin1864 on Apr 19, 2022 21:02:10 GMT
The SPL is largely the same level of quality as League One and the top half of League Two, look at Adam Rooney's career as a very good example of this. For one reason or another Ben isn't pulling up any trees in that league and I think it might take a complete career reset to get things going again. He could do far, far worse than go to Wrexham and be part of what could be a very special journey. Put it this way, I think it would be better for his long term club and Country career to join Wrexham than it would to mess around on the bench in the Championship or go to somewhere like MK Dons or Charlton in League One. It would keep him in the Welshosphere and I think he'd be great in our midfield with Jordan Davies, but I can't see what he brings to Wales these days. Since Ben's professional debut in 2016, we've seen James, Brennan, Matondo, Brooks and Sorba all emerge and make themselves viable options. |
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Post by redsaint on Apr 20, 2022 19:56:48 GMT
We’ve got to be excited by any prospect that comes through in the top half of the English premi, but it looks like time is marching on for Woodburn and if he’s not getting a game for Hearts in Scotland then it looks like he needs something to turn his career around. Really disappointing.
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Post by walesgolfmadrid on Apr 20, 2022 20:07:13 GMT
Woodburn's good enough for League 1, but he needs to go somewhere permanently.
Whilst he's a loan player, he's never going to be favoured to get game time over players of a similar quality that are contracted to clubs - and Hearts have decent quality this season for him to compete with. They aren't able to invest in his development as a player knowing he could be anywhere next season.
Hearts have five games going into their cup final, knowing they're going to finish 3rd, and why would they look to bed in Woodburn over someone like Barrie McKay who recently signed a contract extension and will be a part of their plans next season.
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Post by pclaude on Apr 21, 2022 18:44:50 GMT
Woodburn's good enough for League 1, but he needs to go somewhere permanently. Whilst he's a loan player, he's never going to be favoured to get game time over players of a similar quality that are contracted to clubs - and Hearts have decent quality this season for him to compete with. They aren't able to invest in his development as a player knowing he could be anywhere next season. Hearts have five games going into their cup final, knowing they're going to finish 3rd, and why would they look to bed in Woodburn over someone like Barrie McKay who recently signed a contract extension and will be a part of their plans next season. He’s out of contract in the summer. So will be permanent |
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Post by evans1282 on Apr 22, 2022 6:46:39 GMT
The SPL is largely the same level of quality as League One and the top half of League Two, look at Adam Rooney's career as a very good example of this. For one reason or another Ben isn't pulling up any trees in that league and I think it might take a complete career reset to get things going again. He could do far, far worse than go to Wrexham and be part of what could be a very special journey. Put it this way, I think it would be better for his long term club and Country career to join Wrexham than it would to mess around on the bench in the Championship or go to somewhere like MK Dons or Charlton in League One. Tierney and Van Dijk could have been examples to use ,but obviously wouldn't have fitted your narrative.If Liverpool hadn't shown the same prejudice as you they could have saved a fortune! The EPL is a fine league ,I'm not arguing it's not,but it's devotees are mind fucked when it comes to other national leagues! Personally think Dylan Levitt has come on heaps playing in that league.I mean league 2 FFS! |
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Post by jimexotic on Apr 22, 2022 9:39:11 GMT
The SPL is largely the same level of quality as League One and the top half of League Two, look at Adam Rooney's career as a very good example of this. For one reason or another Ben isn't pulling up any trees in that league and I think it might take a complete career reset to get things going again. He could do far, far worse than go to Wrexham and be part of what could be a very special journey. Put it this way, I think it would be better for his long term club and Country career to join Wrexham than it would to mess around on the bench in the Championship or go to somewhere like MK Dons or Charlton in League One. Tierney and Van Dijk could have been examples to use ,but obviously wouldn't have fitted your narrative.If Liverpool hadn't shown the same prejudice as you they could have saved a fortune! The EPL is a fine league ,I'm not arguing it's not,but it's devotees are mind fucked when it comes to other national leagues! Personally think Dylan Levitt has come on heaps playing in that league.I mean league 2 FFS! I think you've completely misconstrued what I've put which is a real shame but for the record I'm far from an EPL devotee and not for one minute did I suggest that there's no quality in the SPL, " largely the same level of quality as League One and the top half of League Two" is what I said, take Celtic and Rangers out of the equation and that is undoubtedly the case. |
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Post by evans1282 on Apr 22, 2022 10:21:26 GMT
Tierney and Van Dijk could have been examples to use ,but obviously wouldn't have fitted your narrative.If Liverpool hadn't shown the same prejudice as you they could have saved a fortune! The EPL is a fine league ,I'm not arguing it's not,but it's devotees are mind fucked when it comes to other national leagues! Personally think Dylan Levitt has come on heaps playing in that league.I mean league 2 FFS! I think you've completely misconstrued what I've put which is a real shame but for the record I'm far from an EPL devotee and not for one minute did I suggest that there's no quality in the SPL, " largely the same level of quality as League One and the top half of League Two" is what I said, take Celtic and Rangers out of the equation and that is undoubtedly the case. Agree to disagree on this,watch the SPL weekly and just don't see what you see |
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Post by manulike on Apr 30, 2022 16:12:41 GMT
Starman has just played his second start in a week - 75' and 70' game time.
I understand that the Scots play well into June - hopefully, a great chance for Ben to claim a squad place in Qatar!
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Post by pclaude on May 1, 2022 17:26:56 GMT
Starman has just played his second start in a week - 75' and 70' game time. I understand that the Scots play well into June - hopefully, a great chance for Ben to claim a squad place in Qatar! Given that there is an international window half of June, I doubt that's true. Just checked. There are 3 league games left |
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Post by manulike on May 1, 2022 18:49:18 GMT
Starman has just played his second start in a week - 75' and 70' game time. I understand that the Scots play well into June - hopefully, a great chance for Ben to claim a squad place in Qatar! Given that there is an international window half of June, I doubt that's true. Just checked. There are 3 league games left Do they not split up into top six and then play each-other to death? |
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Post by pclaude on May 2, 2022 15:30:17 GMT
Given that there is an international window half of June, I doubt that's true. Just checked. There are 3 league games left Do they not split up into top six and then play each-other to death? That’s been done. They’re part way into that phase. |
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Post by manulike on May 11, 2022 19:35:38 GMT
Haven't seen our Starman for a few weeks. Playing exceptionally well, with a free-roaming floating role. Some lovely touches and 4 or 5 beautiful through balls.
Must be in contention for the 32-man squad
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jun 9, 2022 10:37:21 GMT
Ben Woodburn is a free agent. Time for him to kick start his career somewhere. I think regular football in a top League One team would be a great thing for him. He's still only 22
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Post by johnoster on Jun 9, 2022 11:56:38 GMT
Can't see us taking a free agent to a major tournament.
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Post by bale-droed on Jun 9, 2022 12:01:03 GMT
I wonder if there’s good odds on him going to Chris Coleman’s team. Good night life as well
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Post by dai on Jun 9, 2022 12:20:12 GMT
I know he's 'only 22', like a lot say. But he's pretty much done nothing of note in 3 years now, and had a few disastrous loan spells.
Afraid to say, but a career in the WPL beckons.
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Post by welshrover on Jun 9, 2022 12:40:02 GMT
Can't see us taking a free agent to a major tournament. Gunter? |
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Post by pclaude on Jun 9, 2022 13:05:00 GMT
Can't see us taking a free agent to a major tournament. We wont but the idea that Woodburn isnt getting a club is nonsense. I hope he's been careful with his earnings over the last 5 years though- he aint earning that again any time soon. Worth noting that Bale, Gunter, Allen are in the same boat. And, frankly, no team in league one or two are going to give a contract of any value to anyone with a sniff of going to Qatar. |
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Post by jimbo82 on Jun 9, 2022 15:02:25 GMT
Not far from Liverpool to Wrexham...
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Post by jimexotic on Jun 9, 2022 15:12:07 GMT
Wrexham or bust I say. He could really flourish at Wrexham and by the time he's 25/26 could come into his own and have a successful career. If he thinks he's better than that level I honestly think he'll be washed up and finished by 25/26 and looking at National league teams to join which by then will be too late to save his career.
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Post by welshrover on Jun 9, 2022 15:19:08 GMT
If you listen to the stories that are told around here (near where Ben is from) it would appear that nights out on the piss in Wrexham were the start of his downward spiral.
Disclaimer: I have no idea of the validity of these stories but have heard them a few times from people in the locality.
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Post by jimexotic on Jun 9, 2022 15:22:28 GMT
If you listen to the stories that are told around here (near where Ben is from) it would appear that nights out on the piss in Wrexham were the start of his downward spiral. Disclaimer: I have no idea of the validity of these stories but have heard them a few times from people in the locality. If that's the case then wherever he goes he's screwed, you can't do that and play professional football in 2022. |
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Post by dai on Jun 9, 2022 15:30:20 GMT
If he actually wants to succeed in the sport, he could do with a decent sports psychologist. He had (or has) the talent, but his desire and drive is pretty questionable.
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Post by bale-droed on Jun 9, 2022 16:29:45 GMT
If you listen to the stories that are told around here (near where Ben is from) it would appear that nights out on the piss in Wrexham were the start of his downward spiral. Disclaimer: I have no idea of the validity of these stories but have heard them a few times from people in the locality. I’ve heard these stories myself. This is why I can see him in Greece with Coleman  |
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Post by bale-droed on Jun 9, 2022 16:31:40 GMT
If he actually wants to succeed in the sport, he could do with a decent sports psychologist. He had (or has) the talent, but his desire and drive is pretty questionable. Could be our next Darcy Blake. Ben had so much talent. I mean in an alternate universe last night we win 3-2 and he got 2 |
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Post by insertname on Jun 9, 2022 18:33:59 GMT
I know he's 'only 22', like a lot say. But he's pretty much done nothing of note in 3 years now, and had a few disastrous loan spells. Afraid to say, but a career in the WPL beckons. Yeah but he’s got one hell of a story in the event of him ending up installing washing machines. Many seemingly talented players who fall out of the game don’t even get that! |
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Post by insertname on Jun 9, 2022 18:38:03 GMT
If you listen to the stories that are told around here (near where Ben is from) it would appear that nights out on the piss in Wrexham were the start of his downward spiral. Disclaimer: I have no idea of the validity of these stories but have heard them a few times from people in the locality. Well, he’s the one who had to answer to himself in the mirror. I wouldn’t want to face myself knowing that for a while I was set to write my own cheques, only for my inability to resist temptation to mean a life consisting of rather more hardship. Saying that football isn’t the be all and end all and there have been some high profile examples recently of players who have passed up their potential in the game and are happier for it. For someone like me it does feel like a waste of talent that would have been gratefully received by someone else with that opportunity though. |
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