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Post by insertname on Jun 9, 2022 18:40:23 GMT
If you listen to the stories that are told around here (near where Ben is from) it would appear that nights out on the piss in Wrexham were the start of his downward spiral. Disclaimer: I have no idea of the validity of these stories but have heard them a few times from people in the locality. If that's the case then wherever he goes he's screwed, you can't do that and play professional football in 2022. Yeah football as a career is very highly dependent on how much you want it and even then you might not make it. Someone who can’t even show they want it is going to get found out very quickly. |
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Post by gwernybwch on Jun 9, 2022 22:40:01 GMT
If you listen to the stories that are told around here (near where Ben is from) it would appear that nights out on the piss in Wrexham were the start of his downward spiral. Disclaimer: I have no idea of the validity of these stories but have heard them a few times from people in the locality. If that's the case then wherever he goes he's screwed, you can't do that and play professional football in 2022. Unless you decide to drive yourself home, crash your car, leave someone unconscious and do a runner. In those cases there will some people that think that you ought to be included in the squad for a world cup playoff. |
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Post by dai on Jun 9, 2022 23:02:23 GMT
If that's the case then wherever he goes he's screwed, you can't do that and play professional football in 2022. Unless you decide to drive yourself home, crash your car, leave someone unconscious and do a runner. In those cases there will some people that think that you ought to be included in the squad for a world cup playoff.  |
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Post by gwernybwch on Jun 10, 2022 7:52:58 GMT
Unless you decide to drive yourself home, crash your car, leave someone unconscious and do a runner. In those cases there will some people that think that you ought to be included in the squad for a world cup playoff. It is relevant because we have one Welsh international footballer that had / has been "quite dependent" on alcohol but it doesn't stop some from calling for his inclusion in a national squad. But for others think you can't play professional football in 2022 if you have 'nights out on the piss'. |
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Post by insertname on Jun 10, 2022 8:07:51 GMT
It is relevant because we have one Welsh international footballer that had / has been "quite dependent" on alcohol but it doesn't stop some from calling for his inclusion in a national squad. But for others think you can't play professional football in 2022 if you have 'nights out on the piss'. Lawrence wasn’t drinking during his formative years and before he had established himself as a valuable asset (rightly or wrongly). Starting out on the piss is likely not going to get you anywhere, unless you display Messi or Ronaldo levels of talent, because the likes of Woodburn are very easily replaced by players who WILL take their obligations as a paid athlete seriously. |
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Post by talyfan on Jun 10, 2022 8:12:22 GMT
Wouldn't have a clue what's next for him next season. League Two I imagine
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Post by welshrover on Jun 10, 2022 10:18:36 GMT
Could we have another Leon Jeanne, bags of talent but not the application.
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Post by fiveattheback on Jun 10, 2022 11:33:31 GMT
This thread is incredible. Do people seriously think professional footballers don't go out on the piss during the season?
Comparing him to Leon Jeanne because of unsubstantiated rumours that a bloke in his 20s likes a drink is a bit much as well
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2022 11:39:12 GMT
So whats the score with him now? i'm guessing his loan at hearts was over and liverpool are going to release him,what i'm getting at is were hearts not interested at all in keeping him?
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Post by talyfan on Jun 10, 2022 11:54:36 GMT
So whats the score with him now? i'm guessing his loan at hearts was over and liverpool are going to release him,what i'm getting at is were hearts not interested at all in keeping him? Released him and Hearts have no intention on signing him according to reports. Scottish club and some English clubs reportedly interested in signing him. |
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Post by dai on Jun 10, 2022 11:58:42 GMT
So whats the score with him now? i'm guessing his loan at hearts was over and liverpool are going to release him,what i'm getting at is were hearts not interested at all in keeping him? I followed some of his progress, and a lot of Hearts fans didn't rate him at all. He started well, but faded and got benched around xmas time. Some were even suggesting cutting his loan mid way through the season. I read a few comments on twitter and on the Hearts forum where fans thought he deffo had talent, but something was 'stopping him' (drive, passions, dedication.....) |
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Post by dai on Jun 10, 2022 12:02:13 GMT
It is relevant because we have one Welsh international footballer that had / has been "quite dependent" on alcohol but it doesn't stop some from calling for his inclusion in a national squad. But for others think you can't play professional football in 2022 if you have 'nights out on the piss'. Lawrence had been more or less self medicating on alcohol since his mothers' death, but I'm not making excuses for his behaviour though. You could argue it was a mental health issue rather than someone who 'likes a drink'. Woodburn on the other hand seems to like a night out and there's been stories of him partying/drinking for years. Completely different to when Lawrence was his age. |
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Post by vvm on Jun 10, 2022 12:37:38 GMT
The thing with Woodburn is, every time I've watched him, which to be fair has probably only been for Wales and Liverpool, he has looked pretty good. He's one of those players who just looks like they have a proper footballing brain and is naturally talented.
Can't understand why he hasn't kicked on really. First couple of loans I'd say he got a bit unlucky with circumstances and injuries but not sure what went wrong after that.
Realistically I think he'll have his heart set on a league one move.
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Post by iot on Jun 10, 2022 13:01:45 GMT
The thing with Woodburn is, every time I've watched him, which to be fair has probably only been for Wales and Liverpool, he has looked pretty good. He's one of those players who just looks like they have a proper footballing brain and is naturally talented. Can't understand why he hasn't kicked on really. First couple of loans I'd say he got a bit unlucky with circumstances and injuries but not sure what went wrong after that. Realistically I think he'll have his heart set on a league one move. That's right, he has plenty of talent but just isn't quite able to apply it effectively. The cynics will put it down to a lack of drive, passion, dedication as mentioned above. I don't buy that at all personally given he was fighting to prove his worth last season with just a year left on his contract, and the risk of dropping down the leagues. I think his main issue is that he's never worked out what his role is. He strikes the ball so cleanly, but struggles to get himself into dangerous positions so his goal return is very poor. I remember him coming very close last season hitting the bar a few times with long distance efforts etc. but mostly, when I would check match reports, he was never involved in chances created or on the end of chances. I'd personally like to see him given a shot in a deeper midfield position as a no.8. |
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Post by gimli on Jun 10, 2022 13:26:28 GMT
He really needs a good manager/coach to find a role that suits him and help him reach his potential. The problem he's had (as well as the injuries) is that being out on loan for the past three seasons, his recent managers haven't really had much incentive to develop him. If he didn't make an immediate impact he'd get relegated to the bench. Hopefully now being a free agent he can pick a good club whose manager and coaches will invest time and energy into developing him.
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Post by welshrover on Jun 10, 2022 13:27:28 GMT
This thread is incredible. Do people seriously think professional footballers don't go out on the piss during the season? Comparing him to Leon Jeanne because of unsubstantiated rumours that a bloke in his 20s likes a drink is a bit much as well Sorry if you misinterpreted my post or perhaps I didn't put it right. My point was that Leon was a player of incredible talent that was lost to Welsh football and it looks like we may lose another. I was not making comparisons with regard to off field activities. Hope that clears it up. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jun 10, 2022 15:25:32 GMT
He could do a lot worse than going to Wrecsam
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Post by jimexotic on Jun 10, 2022 23:00:52 GMT
I don't think he'll ever play for us again unless he makes the right move now, there are loads of players ahead of him in the positions he likes to play in. If I had to call it I'd say he's finished as an International footballer and probably never going to be any better than middle of the road League One level, just not enough about the lad.
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Post by vvm on Jun 11, 2022 16:40:23 GMT
He really needs a good manager/coach to find a role that suits him and help him reach his potential. The problem he's had (as well as the injuries) is that being out on loan for the past three seasons, his recent managers haven't really had much incentive to develop him. If he didn't make an immediate impact he'd get relegated to the bench. Hopefully now being a free agent he can pick a good club whose manager and coaches will invest time and energy into developing him. I think that's a good point, initially sounded like he wasn't too bad at Sheffield United but they found a winning formula without him so he became surplus to requirements. Injuries ruined him at Burton. I actually forgot he went to Blackpool but looks like he never really even got going. Hearts is the most concerning, not sure what his excuse is there because it looks like he lasted the whole season but they're not interested in keeping him. I think you're right that he needs to find the right coach who can develop him in the right position, he's probably good enough for league one but a league two team might be better for his development in the long term. In my opinion he's got so much natural talent that we will see him back in the Wales team eventually. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jun 11, 2022 23:30:29 GMT
He really needs a good manager/coach to find a role that suits him and help him reach his potential. The problem he's had (as well as the injuries) is that being out on loan for the past three seasons, his recent managers haven't really had much incentive to develop him. If he didn't make an immediate impact he'd get relegated to the bench. Hopefully now being a free agent he can pick a good club whose manager and coaches will invest time and energy into developing him. I think that's a good point, initially sounded like he wasn't too bad at Sheffield United but they found a winning formula without him so he became surplus to requirements. Injuries ruined him at Burton. I actually forgot he went to Blackpool but looks like he never really even got going. Hearts is the most concerning, not sure what his excuse is there because it looks like he lasted the whole season but they're not interested in keeping him. I think you're right that he needs to find the right coach who can develop him in the right position, he's probably good enough for league one but a league two team might be better for his development in the long term. In my opinion he's got so much natural talent that we will see him back in the Wales team eventually. I think he really needs to drop down to a level where he is almost guaranteed to be one of the better players. That way he can get into a rhythm and hopefully we see his best stuff as a result. I think League Two is a good clean slate - sink or swim time |
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Post by bale-droed on Jun 11, 2022 23:58:10 GMT
I think that's a good point, initially sounded like he wasn't too bad at Sheffield United but they found a winning formula without him so he became surplus to requirements. Injuries ruined him at Burton. I actually forgot he went to Blackpool but looks like he never really even got going. Hearts is the most concerning, not sure what his excuse is there because it looks like he lasted the whole season but they're not interested in keeping him. I think you're right that he needs to find the right coach who can develop him in the right position, he's probably good enough for league one but a league two team might be better for his development in the long term. In my opinion he's got so much natural talent that we will see him back in the Wales team eventually. I think he really needs to drop down to a level where he is almost guaranteed to be one of the better players. That way he can get into a rhythm and hopefully we see his best stuff as a result. I think League Two is a good clean slate - sink or swim time Newport County please |
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Post by gaz on Jun 12, 2022 1:15:18 GMT
He could do with going to a team where the manager puts an arm round him a great talent but maybe too much pressure at the wrong time. Maybe also being played in wrong position 🤞 for him
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Post by johnoster on Jun 12, 2022 17:14:27 GMT
Can't see us taking a free agent to a major tournament. Gunter? I was joking. Pretty sure HRK was without a club when he scored that goal against Belgium. |
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Post by bale-droed on Jun 12, 2022 18:08:06 GMT
I was joking. Pretty sure HRK was without a club when he scored that goal against Belgium. Gunter will 100% be going to Qatar..... as a fan if he can tickets |
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Post by iot on Jul 2, 2022 18:57:55 GMT
Currently on trial with Preston, played in the second half of their first friendly today and scored. Also getting lots of praise. Would be a great move for him. He started well at Hearts too though, so needs to keep it up
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Post by talyfan on Jul 3, 2022 10:53:36 GMT
Currently on trial with Preston, played in the second half of their first friendly today and scored. Also getting lots of praise. Would be a great move for him. He started well at Hearts too though, so needs to keep it up Always seems to have a good pre-season. There is undoubtedly something there, that's why the likes of Klopp and Ryan Lowe have and are taking a closer look at him. I think most important part for him now is getting consistency in the team. |
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Post by iot on Jul 4, 2022 17:01:38 GMT
Well in Ben. It will only take one good season in the championship to get him right back in the mix!
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Post by fiveattheback on Jul 4, 2022 17:44:10 GMT
Signed for Preston
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Post by iot on Jul 4, 2022 18:39:45 GMT
Oops, must have forgotten to attach the link! Looks like a bit of a random post without it! |
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Post by welshwhite on Jul 4, 2022 18:48:03 GMT
As the North West England Correspondent, I always take an interest in my teams competitive neighbours. The PNErs are actually very happy in general with Ben's signing (less so with Dai Cornell). Watched the highlights of the recent friendly at Bamber Bridge and Ben looked very sharp, scored and also played in Andrew Hughes for the penalty which gave them their first goal.
Given a lifeline, Ryan Lowe seems to rate him highly, need to make this count now Ben.
My concern is that he still looks 15.
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