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Post by twofootedtackle on Sept 7, 2021 17:30:46 GMT
Unfortunately he’s done for. He was woeful v Belarus and has been in his recent appearances. Should retire
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Post by gimli on Sept 7, 2021 17:39:29 GMT
Unfortunately he’s done for. He was woeful v Belarus and has been in his recent appearances. Should retire Shit take. He made one mistake in one game. He's otherwise been dependable his whole career and his experience is invaluable. And realistically he's third choice now anyway. He was only starting because Neco and Roberts were injured. Who would you have wanted instead of him on Sunday? Or tomorrow? |
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Post by dai on Sept 7, 2021 17:40:28 GMT
Unfortunately he’s done for. He was woeful v Belarus and has been in his recent appearances. Should retire Really? That's the first glaring error I've seen him do since......well, ever. Whereas players like Mepham, Ampadu, Lawrence etc have had a lot more in a much shorter career. |
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Post by evans1282 on Sept 7, 2021 18:25:29 GMT
Unfortunately he’s done for. He was woeful v Belarus and has been in his recent appearances. Should retire Really? That's the first glaring error I've seen him do since......well, ever. Whereas players like Mepham, Ampadu, Lawrence etc have had a lot more in a much shorter career. Ok stand by to faint....I agree with you 100% |
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Post by hooky on Sept 7, 2021 18:27:35 GMT
The problem is the level oif football he is playing at now will drag your game down
Offers nothing going forward but typically defensively strong. We had no option but to play him and he was great versus Italy. However, he is obviously on the downward path now.
I really hope Bale becomes our most capped player. No disrespect to Gunter - a real proud Welshman and leader, but I want our legend to be in the history books rather than a relative journeyman. Such a record would also make clear to future generations the absolute commitment of our icon. To be as committed as him given his status - to think that one big injury in a meaningless friendly for Wales could theoretically cost him a few million pounds in career earnings / mess up his season at a massive club. However, he even insists on come on in a meaningless friendly versus Finland last week. We will never have such a committed high quality player like this again. He is literally unbelievable and he has kept going even when we have been criticising some of his performance in recent years, despite the fact that he has remained by far our most productive player.
He leads and people follow and give their all for us. I am sure many of the dual nationality players that have come on board have been inspired by his example or the opportunity to train / play alongside him
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Post by hooky on Sept 7, 2021 18:31:40 GMT
In Gunter's defence - that pitch was awful and the ball he tried to deal with bounced exceptionally high for that pitch
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Post by twofootedtackle on Sept 7, 2021 19:43:24 GMT
He’s become even more limited than he was in his heyday. His first action is always backwards. Positionally he gets caught out as he’s lost the pace he used to have to cover up.
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Post by talyfan on Sept 7, 2021 19:51:19 GMT
To be fair after Gunter - fourth choice right back is a free for all. Anyone's guess who you'd call up.
Gethin Jones, Adam Matthews, Kieron Freeman, Regan Poole, Niall Huggins, Mitchell Clark all in League one.
Fin Stevens playing for Brentford B
Clark, Stevens, Huggins or Poole probably. Would be a good idea to get one of them involved at one point.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Sept 7, 2021 21:28:11 GMT
twofootedtackle done for in what sense? We had our 1st two choices out injured - who would you have played instead of Gunter last game? I'm all ears Secondly, he hasn't been awful in his recent appearances, he was class against Italy when we needed him to secure us 2nd place. Yes he's made a bad mistake, but you can't just revise the past because you've decided that the 1st bad mistake he's made in his career means he's "done" I also hate this "he always plays backwards" stuff. Here's reality, the majority of passes footballers play are backwards. Shock. You can say he always passes backwards if you just ignore all the occasions he plays forwards. Ultimately it's just a bit of a meaningless statement to make that you can make about pretty much any player on the planet. If Gunter has an option to play forward he usually takes it, he just takes less risks than some players because he's an experienced head hooky I understand why you want Bale as our most capped player, but honestly I think Gunter being the 1st to 100 and potentially having a reign as our most capped player is even more inspirational. It shows to our young players that even if you're not on world class level you can go down in the history books for Wales by being extremely committed and extremely hard working. For Gunter to get more appearances than a legend like Bale, even when Bale is a shoe-in to start every game just because of ability, I think that sets an amazing example for your average youngster
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Post by twofootedtackle on Sept 7, 2021 21:55:14 GMT
Haven’t the time to read all that sorry.
Moving forward he rarely moves beyond the halfway line. Conor Roberts bombs forward, even in a back 4.
if you look at Gunter both feet are planted when he receives the ball. His decision making is slow. He literally stops before making a decision and that ball is usually backwards. It kills the speed in transition.
He’s increasingly got a mistake in him, he’s slower, positioning is all over the place. I understand his value around the camp but not playing. He gives it his all but it’s not enough now.
In terms of replacements, we are light. It surely makes sense to select Adam Matthew’s who starts ahead of him in the RB role for the same club? He’s also been raved about for a few seasons now. Always been talented just a bit of an attitude problem according to those ITK
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Post by jimexotic on Sept 7, 2021 22:22:52 GMT
I hope we're not sliding into a situation over the next few years where, if Roberts is out, our right backs are two guys that play in League One and the criminally inexperienced (for international football) Neco Williams. 6 league starts in his whole career so far, I know he's only 20 but he needs to get the week to week experience of playing professional football, he has more caps for Wales than first team starts at club level and it shows. Williams needs to go out on loan or leave because he is going to waste valuable years of his career doing nothing if he isn't careful and he has a great opportunity with Wales right now.
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Post by cadno on Sept 7, 2021 22:34:01 GMT
Gunts played well apart from his fuck up for the penalty!
He pressed high, played some nice balls forward, tidy link up!
If you take the poor challenge away he had a better game overall than Ben Davies imo
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Post by conwy10 on Sept 7, 2021 23:21:07 GMT
I think Gunter has a role to play as the inside right of a back 3 or as a right back if we give freedom to the left back to get forward.
I don't mind the steady players who are just there to keep things ticking over, every team needs some, I just think we shouldn't play 6 of them at the same time.
The Belarus penalty was shocking decision making though.
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Post by twofootedtackle on Sept 7, 2021 23:27:11 GMT
I agree
Next cab off the rank will either be Finn Stevens or Luca Hoole
At Bristol Rovers if either can get game time. Both talented although
Hoole doesn’t seem to be in Bodin’s plans (quelle surprise)
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Post by welshrover on Sept 7, 2021 23:29:23 GMT
Gunts played well apart from his fuck up for the penalty! He pressed high, played some nice balls forward, tidy link up! If you take the poor challenge away he had a better game overall than Ben Davies imo That would have been a nice post apart from the bit where you said Gunter "played some nice balls forward" Fair do's don't know if you were being sarcastic but it made me smile...Chris Gunter and forward passed in the same sentence!!! |
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Post by talyfan on Sept 8, 2021 5:25:41 GMT
I was just looking at depth at left back and that's even worse if Davies gets injured.
RND who I don't rate personally. If people are concerned with Gunter not playing it forward RND is 10X worse for it! In and out of the Sheff Utd team.
Ben Williams who doesn't play for Barnsley
Andrew Hughes and Morgan Fox - Both play outside left in a back 3 mainly. Hughes plays regularly for Preston but Fox doesn't feature much for Stoke.
Declan John - only left back we have that's currently playing in League One. Only one on this list that plays regularly at left back.
Beyond that it's literally a toss up between Owen Beck and bloody Dion Donohue!
I'd imagine we'd probably stick a right back there worse comes to worse but not ideal. Clark and Huggins have both featured for their teams as right footed left backs
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Post by gimli on Sept 8, 2021 7:45:02 GMT
I was just looking at depth at left back and that's even worse if Davies gets injured. RND who I don't rate personally. If people are concerned with Gunter not playing it forward RND is 10X worse for it! In and out of the Sheff Utd team. Ben Williams who doesn't play for Barnsley Andrew Hughes and Morgan Fox - Both play outside left in a back 3 mainly. Hughes plays regularly for Preston but Fox doesn't feature much for Stoke. Declan John - only left back we have that's currently playing in League One. Only one on this list that plays regularly at left back. Beyond that it's literally a toss up between Owen Beck and bloody Dion Donohue! I'd imagine we'd probably stick a right back there worse comes to worse but not ideal. Clark and Huggins have both featured for their teams as right footed left backs I'm definitely jumping the gun here, but there's also Tom Davies at Cardiff. He's only 17 or 18, but he's the only other left back in Cardiff's squad other than 20 year old Joel Bagan. Davies has already played in the cup this season and was getting rave reviews from Mick in preseason. There's a good chance he gets a few decent opportunities in the first team this year, and he's only one injury to Bagan away from having an extended spell in the starting line up. Also, I've said it before but if we're playing with wing-backs I'd like to see Ryan Hedges given a chance as a LWB. Seems to me to have the attributes to do well. He's playing really well in Scotland but will never get a chance with us in the advanced positions due to our depth there. |
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Post by cadno on Sept 8, 2021 9:01:26 GMT
Gunts played well apart from his fuck up for the penalty! He pressed high, played some nice balls forward, tidy link up! If you take the poor challenge away he had a better game overall than Ben Davies imo That would have been a nice post apart from the bit where you said Gunter "played some nice balls forward" Fair do's don't know if you were being sarcastic but it made me smile...Chris Gunter and forward passed in the same sentence!!! Watch it back, he did haha |
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Post by cadno on Sept 8, 2021 9:02:14 GMT
I was just looking at depth at left back and that's even worse if Davies gets injured. RND who I don't rate personally. If people are concerned with Gunter not playing it forward RND is 10X worse for it! In and out of the Sheff Utd team. Ben Williams who doesn't play for Barnsley Andrew Hughes and Morgan Fox - Both play outside left in a back 3 mainly. Hughes plays regularly for Preston but Fox doesn't feature much for Stoke. Declan John - only left back we have that's currently playing in League One. Only one on this list that plays regularly at left back. Beyond that it's literally a toss up between Owen Beck and bloody Dion Donohue! I'd imagine we'd probably stick a right back there worse comes to worse but not ideal. Clark and Huggins have both featured for their teams as right footed left backs Morgan Fox is a good player, unlucky not to be capped before |
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Post by welshiron on Sept 8, 2021 9:07:23 GMT
I can't remember another mistake by Gunter and there have been far worse mistakes by Welsh defenders
Neil Taylor - Andorra away and against Ireland
Lawrence against Estonia
Roberts at fault for 2 goals in recent games.
Gunter was our best option on Sunday and is again tonight, people also need to remember the positive effect he has on the younger players with all the experience which is needed at this level
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Post by allezlesrouges on Sept 8, 2021 10:29:34 GMT
Regan Poole is the next one I'd be looking at after Gunter, Roberts, Neco. He's versatile & has now had a few solid seasons in League One for a team at the top end of that league. He'll probably end up a Championship regular & I think he can be the replacement for Gunter in the long term
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Post by twofootedtackle on Sept 8, 2021 10:39:08 GMT
Conor Roberts has mistakes in him, Switzerland away why was he marking the big fella!
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Post by iot on Sept 8, 2021 10:47:22 GMT
Regan Poole is the next one I'd be looking at after Gunter, Roberts, Neco. He's versatile & has now had a few solid seasons in League One for a team at the top end of that league. He'll probably end up a Championship regular & I think he can be the replacement for Gunter in the long term He has a 100+ appearances which is decent at his age, but I don't think any of us know if he's playing well? League 1 might be his level. Whoscored rates him pretty poorly, but I'm not sure how reliable that is: www.whoscored.com/Players/303543/Show/Regan-PooleI haven't heared any hype about him recently, which is probably another indication that he isn't particularly impressing. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Sept 8, 2021 10:54:15 GMT
Regan Poole is the next one I'd be looking at after Gunter, Roberts, Neco. He's versatile & has now had a few solid seasons in League One for a team at the top end of that league. He'll probably end up a Championship regular & I think he can be the replacement for Gunter in the long term He has a 100+ appearances which is decent at his age, but I don't think any of us know if he's playing well? League 1 might be his level. Whoscored rates him pretty poorly, but I'm not sure how reliable that is: www.whoscored.com/Players/303543/Show/Regan-PooleI haven't heared any hype about him recently, which is probably another indication that he isn't particularly impressing. Just being a regular shows there is something about him I think. Only time I watched him was in the playoffs last year & agree he didn't stand out. Mind you, people weren't raving about Kieffer Moore until he started doing well for us. So it doesn't always work as neatly as that regarding form |
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Post by iot on Sept 8, 2021 11:11:39 GMT
He has a 100+ appearances which is decent at his age, but I don't think any of us know if he's playing well? League 1 might be his level. Whoscored rates him pretty poorly, but I'm not sure how reliable that is: www.whoscored.com/Players/303543/Show/Regan-PooleI haven't heared any hype about him recently, which is probably another indication that he isn't particularly impressing. Just being a regular shows there is something about him I think. Only time I watched him was in the playoffs last year & agree he didn't stand out. Mind you, people weren't raving about Kieffer Moore until he started doing well for us. So it doesn't always work as neatly as that regarding form Not necessarily, most team have different players that they consider to be weak links. Lincoln might think he can do a job for them in L1, but if they get promotion that might be the first area they look to improve. My point is, the fact he's playing regularly at the top of L1 is positive, but it doesn't necessarily mean he's a top-level L1 verging on Championship player. Personally, I have much more hope for someone like Finn Stevens who's only 18, can defend well and is good on the ball (from the games I've seen), and seems to be well though of at Brentford. It's probably coming to he point now where they will want him to get some experience on loan. |
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Post by conwy10 on Sept 8, 2021 11:52:40 GMT
I can't remember another mistake by Gunter and there have been far worse mistakes by Welsh defenders Neil Taylor - Andorra away and against Ireland Lawrence against Estonia Roberts at fault for 2 goals in recent games. Gunter was our best option on Sunday and is again tonight, people also need to remember the positive effect he has on the younger players with all the experience which is needed at this level Lawrence against Estonia? Have I missed something? Hope that's not foreshadowing. |
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Post by fiveattheback on Sept 8, 2021 11:54:13 GMT
Gunts played well apart from his fuck up for the penalty! He pressed high, played some nice balls forward, tidy link up! If you take the poor challenge away he had a better game overall than Ben Davies imo Ben Davies has gotten off pretty lightly imo, he was really poor against Belarus & wasn't particularly good at the Euros in my view. He needs to get more consistent football. |
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Post by vvm on Sept 8, 2021 12:17:56 GMT
I think as a third choice option Gunter is fine. His experience will rub off positively on the younger players and his versatility to play as part of a back 3 is also useful.
I do think it will be time to start phasing him out and introducing one of the younger players mentioned in the next few years though.
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Post by twofootedtackle on Sept 8, 2021 12:18:36 GMT
I agree, I thought Ben and Joe Allen looked off the pace.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Sept 8, 2021 13:55:29 GMT
Gunts played well apart from his fuck up for the penalty! He pressed high, played some nice balls forward, tidy link up! If you take the poor challenge away he had a better game overall than Ben Davies imo Ben Davies has gotten off pretty lightly imo, he was really poor against Belarus & wasn't particularly good at the Euros in my view. He needs to get more consistent football. I let him off a bit because he essentially got 2 assists. But yeah not up to his usual level, I agree now he's now 1st choice at Spurs he needs to go somewhere else. Think he can be a top to player in a side that utilises his strengths well. Especially somewhere he can play in a back 3 |
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