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Post by gogdownsouth on Aug 24, 2020 10:43:32 GMT
Zagreb are away to CFR Cluj in the Champions League qualifying rounds on Wednesday night, be interesting to see if Robbie is involved in what would be a huge game for them
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Post by manulike on Aug 26, 2020 19:59:55 GMT
Robbie was rested ... On special orders to beat the Bosnians, no doubt ;-)
Zagreb win by the skin of their teeth ... on pens ... after going down to ten men for most of the game
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Post by allezlesrouges on Aug 26, 2020 21:00:18 GMT
Robbie was rested ... On special orders to beat the Bosnians, no doubt ;-)
Zagreb win by the skin of their teeth ... on pens ... after going down to ten men for most of the game
Caught the penalties after the Celtic game. Burton didn't get on - but glad that Zagreb got through in the end! They were a converted penalty away from dropping into the Europa League but Livakovic pulled off a good save to keep them in it. We can still hope of seeing Burton play in the Champions League this season! |
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Post by manulike on Aug 30, 2020 18:13:20 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2020 18:17:10 GMT
Team's playing some lovely stuff and he doesn't look at all out of place as the deepest midfielder.
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Post by manulike on Aug 30, 2020 19:20:21 GMT
Subbed after 53'.
Got clattered twice quite badly in first half and hobbled a bit - but hopefully the substitution was just a precaution.
Played well.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2020 19:23:50 GMT
Off with his side getting torn apart in midfield. Less his fault than the invisible men in there with him imo. Can make his way to the airport early now.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Aug 30, 2020 19:28:40 GMT
Off with his side getting torn apart in midfield. Less his fault than the invisible men in there with him imo. Can make his way to the airport early now. My understanding is that Osijek are one of the better sides in the league. Zagreb the champions, but Osijek & Hajduk Split the two other competitive teams that pop up in Europe regularly |
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Post by texan on Sept 26, 2020 19:19:45 GMT
Burton started today for Zagreb as they played in the Croatian Cup, he played the full 90 from what I can see as they ran out 7-1 winners.
No idea how he played mind, but can’t have been that bad to stay on despite DZ using up all 5 allotted subs.
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Post by vaulksthrowfanclub on Sept 30, 2020 15:35:44 GMT
Not with the u21s. Injury?
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Post by manulike on Sept 30, 2020 17:35:18 GMT
Not with the u21s. Injury? Interesting. If he is involved in tomorrow's Europa league match (6pm ko), I'd imagine him being on the top of a list of stand-bys, together with Hedges and Doidge, perhaps?
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Post by wirralwelsh on Sept 30, 2020 21:28:57 GMT
Not sure if qurantine applies from travelling Croatia to Belgium at the moment but he certainly couldn't come over to the UK without being out of action for two weeks which would put a bit of a spanner in the works
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Post by dragonsoccer on Sept 30, 2020 21:41:00 GMT
Not with the u21s. Injury? Been told that Robbie Burton and Jack Evans were not available for U21 selection due to quarantine issues |
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Post by gaz on Oct 1, 2020 1:14:41 GMT
Deserves to be in the squad for a chance for these games ahead of Matt Smith or any others who are not playing 1st team football. Send a message that the euros are this summer an if you want a chance then it’s there but you need to be playing. Same should be for every single member of the squad. If they aren’t gonna get games then go somewhere you will, perfect example Rhys Norrington Davies has thrown himself in the mix.
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Post by manulike on Oct 13, 2020 14:20:27 GMT
Can we not just call up Robbie? He is only a bus ride away from Sofia ;-)
#YesWeCan
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Post by evans1282 on Oct 13, 2020 14:50:10 GMT
Can we not just call up Robbie? He is only a bus ride away from Sofia ;-) #YesWeCan
So far we've ( touch wood) kept Covid out of the squad by maintaining the "bubble",for me the Ronaldo situation and the amount of players the RoI lost after calling people into the squad,shows it was right, so for me Burton is a no. |
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Post by manulike on Oct 25, 2020 15:15:44 GMT
Played the full 96' in the league. Told to move a little more forward in second half and in his first move into the box, his shot on target was blocked with a hand and the resulting pen broke the dead-lock.
Played well. Always with his head up and always seeking out a forward pass.
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Post by robin1864 on Oct 25, 2020 16:01:50 GMT
I'm not going to read too much into him until he moves back here, or to a better league at least.
James Lawrence was the last player to cry off from Arsenal on a European adventure, and he's quite possibly been one of our most pointless players of late.
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Post by gimli on Oct 25, 2020 16:34:28 GMT
I'm not going to read too much into him until he moves back here, or to a better league at least. James Lawrence was the last player to cry off from Arsenal on a European adventure, and he's quite possibly been one of our most pointless players of late. It is a good league. Croatia regularly have numerous players based in their league in their squads, and they're a much better team than us. Lawrence was playing for mid table Slovakian team at 26, Burton is starting for Dinamo Zagreb, the best team in Croatia, who regularly play in Europe, at 20. Not comparable at all. Completely dismissing the Croatian league is pretty ignorant, and is the type of thing English fans would do. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 25, 2020 16:37:09 GMT
I'm not going to read too much into him until he moves back here, or to a better league at least. James Lawrence was the last player to cry off from Arsenal on a European adventure, and he's quite possibly been one of our most pointless players of late. The Croatian League is a decent league, and the club he's playing for rank higher than clubs like Marseille, Frankfurt, Leicester, Monchengladbach & AC Milan on the current UEFA club coefficient. The standard isn't a problem, and that's clear from seeing the current international players that play for them; Petkovic, Orsic & Livakovic (Croatia), Gavranovic (Switzerland), Ademi (N.Macedonia). As well as their recent former internationals they have produced; Jedvaj & Brekalo (Croatia), Olmo (Spain). And historically the large amount of Croatian internationals that came up through their system; Lovren, Modric, Kovacic, Vrsaljko, Brozovic, Mandzukic Comparisons to James Lawrence make no sense. Lawrence was at QPR for 3 years after Arsenal before moving abroad to Dutch youth academies, and then off to the Slovakian league at a club that is nowhere near the reputation of Zagreb. Lawrence was 26 before he got his move to Anderlecht which was the first decent senior standard he'd played at. Burton by comparison was captain of Arsenal u23s before deciding (quite bravely in my opinion) that senior football was needed & left of his own accord. He's now getting decent minutes at the age of 20 at a really good club. If he becomes a regular starter Giggs will select him, almost certainly & a move is not needed I know it's convenient to draw comparisons because they both played for Arsenal and now play abroad, but they've had different careers, trajectories, pathways, club levels and there's just no comparison there |
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Post by robin1864 on Oct 25, 2020 16:52:55 GMT
I'm not going to read too much into him until he moves back here, or to a better league at least. James Lawrence was the last player to cry off from Arsenal on a European adventure, and he's quite possibly been one of our most pointless players of late. It is a good league. Croatia regularly have numerous players based in their league in their squads, and they're a much better team than us. Lawrence was playing for mid table Slovakian team at 26, Burton is starting for Dinamo Zagreb, the best team in Croatia, who regularly play in Europe, at 20. Not comparable at all. Completely dismissing the Croatian league is pretty ignorant, and is the type of thing English fans would do. It's not though, is it? Dinamo are a decent team, no doubt, but it's like Celtic & the SPFL - one team is miles ahead of the rest who are League One/Conference quality. Split & Rijeka make up the numbers in the Europa League, and you can only learn so much from battering butchers & bakers 4-0 every week, and this is what holds them back from progressing further in Europe. I can't deny Dinamo have had incredible success with youth though. Unless he does a Dani Olmo & goes to a bigger league, I'm going to reserve judgement on him - people on here have form for vastly overrating the ability and potential of our youngsters which, quite unbelievably, professional football managers cannot see. |
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Post by walesgolfmadrid on Oct 25, 2020 17:09:23 GMT
It is a good league. Croatia regularly have numerous players based in their league in their squads, and they're a much better team than us. Lawrence was playing for mid table Slovakian team at 26, Burton is starting for Dinamo Zagreb, the best team in Croatia, who regularly play in Europe, at 20. Not comparable at all. Completely dismissing the Croatian league is pretty ignorant, and is the type of thing English fans would do. It's not though, is it? Dinamo are a decent team, no doubt, but it's like Celtic & the SPFL - one team is miles ahead of the rest who are League One/Conference quality. Split & Rijeka make up the numbers in the Europa League, and you can only learn so much from battering butchers & bakers 4-0 every week, and this is what holds them back from progressing further in Europe. I can't deny Dinamo have had incredible success with youth though. Unless he does a Dani Olmo & goes to a bigger league, I'm going to reserve judgement on him - people on here have form for vastly overrating the ability and potential of our youngsters which, quite unbelievably, professional football managers cannot see. Every season they sell on two or three big players for good money to sides in the top five leagues in the world. Even this summer they've sold Nikola Moro for big money to Dynamo Moscow, and sold Damian Kadzior to La Liga and Josko Gvardiol to the Bundesliga. There's every chance that Burton is one of these players in the next couple of years, Olmo wasn't just a one off. Robbie's getting in there side as a 20 year old, and clearly Zoren Mamic see's potential in him. The argument that it's a one league team doesn't make much sense, given than Burton is playing for that one team. The standard of the league might not be the same as the Championship or whatever, but you aren't getting in to that Zagreb side at his age without being a talented player. For a nation of our size, having someone of that talent at this age, is a very good thing and it'd be hard to see him not going on to make his debut for the full national side from here. The comparison between Lawrence and Burton makes little to no sense, the only thing comparable between there moves is that they're both on the continent of Europe. Dinamo Zagreb and AS Trencin are on completely different ends of the spectrum in terms of strength of players and stature. |
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Post by conwy10 on Oct 25, 2020 21:31:24 GMT
I'm not going to read too much into him until he moves back here, or to a better league at least. James Lawrence was the last player to cry off from Arsenal on a European adventure, and he's quite possibly been one of our most pointless players of late. Depends what you make of it I suppose. Likes of Vardy, Austin and Antonio all had non league spells. Just got to hope they find their way. I quite like it, Dinamo Zagreb looks a lot cooler for a Welsh player than Fleetwood. |
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Post by manulike on Oct 26, 2020 18:44:13 GMT
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Post by holmesdaleultra on Oct 26, 2020 19:15:59 GMT
Gotta respect Burton moving to a different culture and country to further his football education instead of being stuck in under 23's football and stagnating.
Hope he does well.
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Post by erasedcitizen on Oct 27, 2020 9:35:31 GMT
It's also worth noting that 2 players from that league formed part of Croatia's 2018 World Cup runners up squad, and 3 of Robbie's Dinamo Zagreb teammates made Croatia's most recent squad.
It's not a bad standard at all.
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Post by evans1282 on Oct 27, 2020 9:51:11 GMT
It's also worth noting that 2 players from that league formed part of Croatia's 2018 World Cup runners up squad, and 3 of Robbie's Dinamo Zagreb teammates made Croatia's most recent squad. It's not a bad standard at all. Your wasting your time trying to explain this to some of the premier League acolytes on this forum. |
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Post by dai on Oct 27, 2020 10:04:12 GMT
It's also worth noting that 2 players from that league formed part of Croatia's 2018 World Cup runners up squad, and 3 of Robbie's Dinamo Zagreb teammates made Croatia's most recent squad. It's not a bad standard at all. Exactly, I pointed out in another thread that the Slovakia side that just beat Ireland in the playoffs had a few MLS players in their squad. Also, look at Scotland who have half a team/squad playing in the SPL. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have a team full of PL/top flight players, however so many countries at the same level as us have players playing in all sorts of European leagues - just look at Hungary, Turkey, Norway, Romania,Finland, Serbia, Israel. Burton deserves a call up imo, especially when we now have regulars playing in League 1. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 27, 2020 11:14:03 GMT
It's also worth noting that 2 players from that league formed part of Croatia's 2018 World Cup runners up squad, and 3 of Robbie's Dinamo Zagreb teammates made Croatia's most recent squad. It's not a bad standard at all. Exactly, I pointed out in another thread that the Slovakia side that just beat Ireland in the playoffs had a few MLS players in their squad. Also, look at Scotland who have half a team/squad playing in the SPL. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have a team full of PL/top flight players, however so many countries at the same level as us have players playing in all sorts of European leagues - just look at Hungary, Turkey, Norway, Romania,Finland, Serbia, Israel. Burton deserves a call up imo, especially when we now have regulars playing in League 1. I really rate the lad and think the level he is playing at is plenty good enough for a call up. I just don't think he's quite getting the regular games he'd need for a call up yet. 5 appearances so far this season out of a possible 13 games. He's getting there, but would probs need to be starting a higher number of games to displace the squad regulars at the moment |
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Post by erasedcitizen on Oct 27, 2020 11:40:13 GMT
Exactly, I pointed out in another thread that the Slovakia side that just beat Ireland in the playoffs had a few MLS players in their squad. Also, look at Scotland who have half a team/squad playing in the SPL. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have a team full of PL/top flight players, however so many countries at the same level as us have players playing in all sorts of European leagues - just look at Hungary, Turkey, Norway, Romania,Finland, Serbia, Israel. Burton deserves a call up imo, especially when we now have regulars playing in League 1. I really rate the lad and think the level he is playing at is plenty good enough for a call up. I just don't think he's quite getting the regular games he'd need for a call up yet. 5 appearances so far this season out of a possible 13 games. He's getting there, but would probs need to be starting a higher number of games to displace the squad regulars at the moment I agree. If you take a look at the central midfielders who do get called up fairly regularly, there's only Levitt who I'd potentially replace with Burton at this moment in time. The rest of our central midfielders are playing in the Championship, Serie A or are Matt Smith & Jonny Williams who are shoe-ins after the last couple of matches for me. |
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