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Post by pclaude on Apr 29, 2022 8:28:49 GMT
jbt95. Beginning to think you are probably correct. Now recall being taken ill and was unable to go to our 5-1 in Slovakia (what a game too miss!!) and didn't get to watch it on TV, just a highlights programme. Apologies for doubting you. The 5-1 I'm Slovakia was definitely on sky aa I remember watching it in the pub, and being the only one there. But Germany away a couple of months later was definitely on BBC as I watched it live at home. I think back then rights were sold by the team playing at home. So FAW sold their rights to Sky, whereas away games could end up anywhere depending on bids. |
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Post by jbt95 on Apr 29, 2022 8:49:48 GMT
jbt95. Beginning to think you are probably correct. Now recall being taken ill and was unable to go to our 5-1 in Slovakia (what a game too miss!!) and didn't get to watch it on TV, just a highlights programme. Apologies for doubting you. The 5-1 I'm Slovakia was definitely on sky aa I remember watching it in the pub, and being the only one there. But Germany away a couple of months later was definitely on BBC as I watched it live at home. I was only 12 in 2007, but why was a random one off game on BBC? |
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Post by insertname on Apr 29, 2022 8:54:14 GMT
What are you talking about? Everything I've read suggests neither Mooney nor the FAW had any say in this decision. So how does your comment make any sense in that context? My understanding is like yours, that the football associations now have little influence on who becomes their TV partner.....but it still doesn't stop Mooney suggesting that he can still somehow influence that the games are shown free-to-air.... If that is going to happen, something will have to give. Either you have the games shown on a outlet which is going to charge customers to watch it and more cash that he promised goes to grassroots or he somehow arranges that the games are live free-to-air. If that is to happen, viaplay will expect a pay less for their rights, which results in less for grassroots. It was stated in the BBC report on Scotland’s deal with viaplay that there would be free to air matches so I don’t think this is anything to do with Mooney and more to do with the nature of the contract across the board. |
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Post by derynglas on Apr 29, 2022 9:18:18 GMT
The 5-1 I'm Slovakia was definitely on sky aa I remember watching it in the pub, and being the only one there. But Germany away a couple of months later was definitely on BBC as I watched it live at home. I was only 12 in 2007, but why was a random one off game on BBC? Im not sure why it was on BBC as I was at the game. It may have been because sky might not have shown it as it was a dead rubber and there was a lot of important games on that night. This included Englands 3-2 defeat to Croatia at Wembley which eliminated England from Euro 2008. There was quite a lot of reaction among our fans as the goals went in and at the final score! |
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Post by welshrover on Apr 29, 2022 9:23:19 GMT
Hi sleepy - I'm guessing that the answer to your quiz question might be Dave Edwards? Hi sleepy and welsh rover - I think you're mixing up these results from way back? 07 Oct 2006 Wales v Slovakia (Cardiff) 1-5 UEFA European Championship 12 Sep 2007 Slovakia v Wales (Trnava) 2-5 UEFA European Championship As for future TV coverage, I hope S4C can work something out with viaplay, like they have done with SKY. I get lots of things mixed up these days😟 Yes you are correct the 5-2 away I missed, unfortunately was at the 1-5. If my fading memory serves me right on this one it was cap number 50 for Paul Jones in goal and he had 50 cut into his hair. Slovakia just scored at will that night |
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Post by cogancoronation31 on Apr 29, 2022 10:58:16 GMT
Haha!
Yep, the away fixture in Slovakia was almost the polar opposite - with Bellamy, in particular, running riot vs the home defence (good memories too of celebrating on the Danube disco barges in Bratislava that night!)
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Whether it's free-to-air or a streaming service in the future, let's hope that the uplifting experience of supporting Wales home and away can be preserved. The danger with 'pay for view' is that a great many casual 'armchair supporters' (still worth having!) will miss out.
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Post by Albert on Apr 29, 2022 11:02:21 GMT
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Post by jbt95 on Apr 29, 2022 12:29:52 GMT
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Post by iot on Apr 29, 2022 12:30:16 GMT
Unless I'm mistaken, England's deal is up to 2024 and S4C will be allowed to broadcast games up to 2024, so this isn't really an issue? |
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Post by texan on Apr 29, 2022 12:41:04 GMT
Im not sure why it was on BBC as I was at the game. Because it was an away match and as a result was up for grabs, Sky had no interest in showing it so the Beeb grabbed it. The rights left the BBC in 2004 for Sky in a £10m deal, only coming back to FtA via S4C in 2014 due to them grabbing the Welsh lang rights. |
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Post by insertname on Apr 29, 2022 13:51:28 GMT
Hi sleepy - I'm guessing that the answer to your quiz question might be Dave Edwards? Hi sleepy and welsh rover - I think you're mixing up these results from way back? 07 Oct 2006 Wales v Slovakia (Cardiff) 1-5 UEFA European Championship 12 Sep 2007 Slovakia v Wales (Trnava) 2-5 UEFA European Championship As for future TV coverage, I hope S4C can work something out with viaplay, like they have done with SKY. I get lots of things mixed up these days😟 Yes you are correct the 5-2 away I missed, unfortunately was at the 1-5. If my fading memory serves me right on this one it was cap number 50 for Paul Jones in goal and he had 50 cut into his hair. Slovakia just scored at will that night Yeah, I was at that game too. Remember that lad who scored his first Wales goal direct from a free kick in that game? Gareth Bale wasn’t it? I wonder what he’s up to these days…. |
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Post by gwernybwch on Apr 29, 2022 18:14:25 GMT
My understanding is like yours, that the football associations now have little influence on who becomes their TV partner.....but it still doesn't stop Mooney suggesting that he can still somehow influence that the games are shown free-to-air.... If that is going to happen, something will have to give. Either you have the games shown on a outlet which is going to charge customers to watch it and more cash that he promised goes to grassroots or he somehow arranges that the games are live free-to-air. If that is to happen, viaplay will expect a pay less for their rights, which results in less for grassroots. It was stated in the BBC report on Scotland’s deal with viaplay that there would be free to air matches so I don’t think this is anything to do with Mooney and more to do with the nature of the contract across the board. Ignore me, it was a general outburst about several things. Those that that gave little thought when hounding out Ford. Those that welcomed Mooney as the new messiah when he promised more money to grass roots football. (Probably) the same people that gave little thought to where the money was going to come from and then moaned when ticket prices were raised. Mooney's general response to everything on social media of "I hear ya", "I get it", "I'm a footballing man". Followed by suggestion that he is going to influence things that he has little influence over whether it be the change of fixtures in the Nations League, the National League play-off final and now the TV deal. Anyway, back on topic. My understanding is that ViaPlay have won the contract for 2024 onwards, I'm not sure who - if anyone - has the contract for the Nations League 2022? This article suggests that Sky haven't got the contract for Scotland's Nations League 2022 fixtures - www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/8772412/scotland-nations-league-tv-blackout-sky-sports-end/Not sure if it was the same for Wales? If there is no deal in place, perhaps there is the possibility that one of the FTA broadcasters buys up the Nations League 2022 rights? |
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Post by dlwilliams on Apr 29, 2022 20:03:15 GMT
What's struck me is people behaving as though Wales games have been live on S4C since time immemorial, whereas in reality, they've only been live in the current run since 2017. Even S4C themselves, in their statement on Twitter, say they've been showing Wales games live since 2014. As far as I can recall, they showed highlights of the 2016 qualifiers from Belgium (H) onwards and then the finals themselves live. I started following Wales around 2005 when I was about 10, so just after the games went on Sky. Did S4C show any live games between 2004 and 2016/17, or was it just highlights? Maybe they showed a few friendlies live?
Also, going by Twitter, it doesn't seem like a lot of people watch us on Sky! Loads saying how disappointed they are by the news and that they watch S4C even though they don't speak/understand Welsh.
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Post by evans1282 on Apr 29, 2022 21:23:06 GMT
What's struck me is people behaving as though Wales games have been live on S4C since time immemorial, whereas in reality, they've only been live in the current run since 2017. Even S4C themselves, in their statement on Twitter, say they've been showing Wales games live since 2014. As far as I can recall, they showed highlights of the 2016 qualifiers from Belgium (H) onwards and then the finals themselves live. I started following Wales around 2005 when I was about 10, so just after the games went on Sky. Did S4C show any live games between 2004 and 2016/17, or was it just highlights? Maybe they showed a few friendlies live? Also, going by Twitter, it doesn't seem like a lot of people watch us on Sky! Loads saying how disappointed they are by the news and that they watch S4C even though they don't speak/understand Welsh. With regard to Sky I gave up sky sports when S4c started live Wales games, highlights of other football enough for me, I'm a Wales fan first guy. |
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Post by conwy10 on Apr 29, 2022 21:34:14 GMT
What's struck me is people behaving as though Wales games have been live on S4C since time immemorial, whereas in reality, they've only been live in the current run since 2017. Even S4C themselves, in their statement on Twitter, say they've been showing Wales games live since 2014. As far as I can recall, they showed highlights of the 2016 qualifiers from Belgium (H) onwards and then the finals themselves live. I started following Wales around 2005 when I was about 10, so just after the games went on Sky. Did S4C show any live games between 2004 and 2016/17, or was it just highlights? Maybe they showed a few friendlies live? Also, going by Twitter, it doesn't seem like a lot of people watch us on Sky! Loads saying how disappointed they are by the news and that they watch S4C even though they don't speak/understand Welsh. You get a decent build up on S4C. Presenters on the pitchsode getting into the atmosphere. With Sky we've sometimes got to share a 5 minute intro with Scotland or Northern Ireland with a token ex Welsh international in a sterile studio. I do like Gabbidon as a commentator though. |
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Post by welshrover on Apr 29, 2022 22:17:08 GMT
I wonder with the cost of living going through the roof perhaps things like Sky and other pay monthly TV may be on people's "do without list"
Apparently Netflix have recently seen a drop in subscribers after many years of growth.
I presume also you would have to have a Smart TV to install this new Viaplay thingy and hope the app is compatible with your Smart TV. I don't have a Smart TV personally but certainly have read on forums of people having problems getting certain apps to work on certain TVs.
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Post by dlwilliams on Apr 29, 2022 22:58:17 GMT
What's struck me is people behaving as though Wales games have been live on S4C since time immemorial, whereas in reality, they've only been live in the current run since 2017. Even S4C themselves, in their statement on Twitter, say they've been showing Wales games live since 2014. As far as I can recall, they showed highlights of the 2016 qualifiers from Belgium (H) onwards and then the finals themselves live. I started following Wales around 2005 when I was about 10, so just after the games went on Sky. Did S4C show any live games between 2004 and 2016/17, or was it just highlights? Maybe they showed a few friendlies live? Also, going by Twitter, it doesn't seem like a lot of people watch us on Sky! Loads saying how disappointed they are by the news and that they watch S4C even though they don't speak/understand Welsh. You get a decent build up on S4C. Presenters on the pitchsode getting into the atmosphere. With Sky we've sometimes got to share a 5 minute intro with Scotland or Northern Ireland with a token ex Welsh international in a sterile studio. I do like Gabbidon as a commentator though. With respect, the stuff about Sky is pretty wide of the mark. It's true that in the bad old days, Sky used to start their coverage about 10-15 minutes beforehand, or even 5 minutes. To be fair, for our 7:45 kick-offs these days, they start the broadcast at 7pm (S4C don't start until about 15 minutes before kick-off) and go on far longer after the final whistle than S4C do. In fairness to S4C, they're not an exclusively sports channel. Sky do actually have a dedicated Welsh presenting team now. Michelle Owen (half-Welsh), Gabbidon and Ashley Williams were in the studio for the Austria game, and Dave Edwards and James Collins on commentary and pitch-side after the game. Like I said above, though, by the sounds of it, most people are watching on S4C even if they don't speak Welsh. |
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Post by hooky on Apr 30, 2022 9:04:52 GMT
How on earth does a totally irrelevant, start up online platform get the rights to our football matches when Welsh football is at its peak? How can that possibly happen? Why did the WFA allow the rights to be in the hands of UEFA? England didn't!
So bloody stupid. Football must be at an all time high right now with the success and it has a great opportunity to pull away from rugby. However, youngsters need to be watching their team freely to get totally hooked!
Same with rugby - think the Welsh friendlies are going online (is it Amazon?) and there is the constant threat that the 6 Nations could follow at some point.
Really pisses me off! I have Sky and BT (BT because my son is obsessed with Liverpool!) but the dilution of events they are showing relevant to me as someone just particularly interested in Welsh sport is getting so annoying.
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Post by jimbo82 on Apr 30, 2022 9:13:06 GMT
I wonder with the cost of living going through the roof perhaps things like Sky and other pay monthly TV may be on people's "do without list" Apparently Netflix have recently seen a drop in subscribers after many years of growth. I presume also you would have to have a Smart TV to install this new Viaplay thingy and hope the app is compatible with your Smart TV. I don't have a Smart TV personally but certainly have read on forums of people having problems getting certain apps to work on certain TVs. This is a good point about the technology. I live in London so pay for Sky to be able to get S4C, and I don't mind paying for Sky Sports to get coverage of Wales games (and other international football) as well as various other sports which i enjoy watching. However, I don't want to have to buy a new TV (and get a subscription to a new provider) to be able to stream Wales games. I remember during the Euro 2020 final watching the live coverage (ITV I think?) and during the penalty shootout I could hear neighbours cheering goals up to 30 seconds after I'd seen them on my TV. A small issue but I like watching via Freeview/satellite as there is minimal delay watching live sport. |
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Post by CrackityJones on Apr 30, 2022 9:20:20 GMT
S4C is on iplayer, you don’t need to pay for Sky or anything else to watch it. Or download the S4C Clic app on your smart tv
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Post by welshrover on Apr 30, 2022 9:33:46 GMT
I wonder with the cost of living going through the roof perhaps things like Sky and other pay monthly TV may be on people's "do without list" Apparently Netflix have recently seen a drop in subscribers after many years of growth. I presume also you would have to have a Smart TV to install this new Viaplay thingy and hope the app is compatible with your Smart TV. I don't have a Smart TV personally but certainly have read on forums of people having problems getting certain apps to work on certain TVs. This is a good point about the technology. I live in London so pay for Sky to be able to get S4C, and I don't mind paying for Sky Sports to get coverage of Wales games (and other international football) as well as various other sports which i enjoy watching. However, I don't want to have to buy a new TV (and get a subscription to a new provider) to be able to stream Wales games. I remember during the Euro 2020 final watching the live coverage (ITV I think?) and during the penalty shootout I could hear neighbours cheering goals up to 30 seconds after I'd seen them on my TV. A small issue but I like watching via Freeview/satellite as there is minimal delay watching live sport. I'm with you Jimbo, very happy with my "dumb" TV. I just switch it on and watch it, no waiting for updates and "the app is having trouble connecting etc" I am very into my cycling and a lot of friends subscribed to the GCN cycling app only to find it wasn't compatible with their TV. |
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Post by iot on Apr 30, 2022 10:44:43 GMT
How on earth does a totally irrelevant, start up online platform get the rights to our football matches when Welsh football is at its peak? How can that possibly happen? Why did the WFA allow the rights to be in the hands of UEFA? England didn't! So bloody stupid. Football must be at an all time high right now with the success and it has a great opportunity to pull away from rugby. However, youngsters need to be watching their team freely to get totally hooked! Same with rugby - think the Welsh friendlies are going online (is it Amazon?) and there is the constant threat that the 6 Nations could follow at some point. Really pisses me off! I have Sky and BT (BT because my son is obsessed with Liverpool!) but the dilution of events they are showing relevant to me as someone just particularly interested in Welsh sport is getting so annoying. On your first question, the 'start up online platform' presumably got the rights because they placed the highest bid. On your second question, do we know the FAW had any say in the matter? You say England didn't hand the rights over to UEFA - how do you know that? The only thing I've seen is channel 4 winning the rights for England games up to '24, whereas the deal we're talking about is for rights post-24 i.e. two completely unrelated issues. So people seem to have put 2 and 2 together and come up with 5? |
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Post by jimbo82 on Apr 30, 2022 12:50:09 GMT
S4C is on iplayer, you don’t need to pay for Sky or anything else to watch it. Or download the S4C Clic app on your smart tv I'm aware of this, although I suppose it's good to mention in case others aren't. But my point was that I don't have a smart TV and I don't want to watch football on my laptop, and it seems watching online always comes with a delay of up to a minute. |
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Post by gwernybwch on Apr 30, 2022 13:18:19 GMT
How on earth does a totally irrelevant, start up online platform get the rights to our football matches when Welsh football is at its peak? How can that possibly happen? Why did the WFA allow the rights to be in the hands of UEFA? England didn't! So bloody stupid. Football must be at an all time high right now with the success and it has a great opportunity to pull away from rugby. However, youngsters need to be watching their team freely to get totally hooked! Same with rugby - think the Welsh friendlies are going online (is it Amazon?) and there is the constant threat that the 6 Nations could follow at some point. Really pisses me off! I have Sky and BT (BT because my son is obsessed with Liverpool!) but the dilution of events they are showing relevant to me as someone just particularly interested in Welsh sport is getting so annoying. England were also in UEFA media rights auction, it is just that a TV channel (Channel 4) figured that they could make as much through advertising as it costs to buy the TV rights. This time it is Channel 4, previously it was ITV. Their biggest income stream for the FAW was and still is through TV rights (followed by ticket sales). and historically the bidder of those media rights didn't bid to get the media rights of little ole Wales, but who we were playing against. Draw En-ger-lund and it was a bonanza, draw Croatia and we could barely find a buyer that was prepared to pay decent money. No organisation wants to have their main income source being so variable, so they signed up. The TV rights thingy also promises that smaller associations have a greater share of the total money than they might already have. As for how a 'start-up platform' came to be the winning bidder, well BBC Wales spunk the majority of their sporting budget on the 6 nations. It seems that Sky Sports have done their analysis and realised that very few people take out a SS subscription just to watch Wales. In steps some a new player, who it appears was willing to pay more that Sky, S4C, ITV Wales (if they bothered to bid). Although it does seem that ViaPlay have missed a trick here and haven't realised that there is the possibility of selling on the Welsh language only content to S4C (like Sky did). jimbo82 if you have a satellite dish you can get S4C on your telly without subscribing to Sky. All you need is a satellite receiver or a FreeSAT TV. |
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Post by rico on Apr 30, 2022 14:58:52 GMT
Viaplay isn't a 'start up' platform, just not well known here, it's the streaming platform of an entertainment group worth billions. Based on this moved they've got lots of cash - and this is their way into the market here. Just hope there can be an arrangement with S4C so it can stay free to air, but sounds unlikely.
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Post by welshrover on Apr 30, 2022 17:33:49 GMT
To be fair if we throw together a team with Danny Collins, Partridge, Stock ,Dorman and Thatcher they will soon tire of us and leave us be😊
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Post by jbt95 on Apr 30, 2022 21:56:37 GMT
What's struck me is people behaving as though Wales games have been live on S4C since time immemorial, whereas in reality, they've only been live in the current run since 2017. Even S4C themselves, in their statement on Twitter, say they've been showing Wales games live since 2014. As far as I can recall, they showed highlights of the 2016 qualifiers from Belgium (H) onwards and then the finals themselves live. I started following Wales around 2005 when I was about 10, so just after the games went on Sky. Did S4C show any live games between 2004 and 2016/17, or was it just highlights? Maybe they showed a few friendlies live? Also, going by Twitter, it doesn't seem like a lot of people watch us on Sky! Loads saying how disappointed they are by the news and that they watch S4C even though they don't speak/understand Welsh. Yes S4C I am pretty sure did as you say, only picked up part way through the 2016 campaign and that wasn't live, and was then live for the World Cup qualifiers. They got this angle because Sky dropped Welsh commentary. |
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Post by CrackityJones on May 25, 2022 17:52:45 GMT
Gwych:
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Post by sleepy on May 25, 2022 18:15:45 GMT
Fi a Mister Urdd is on the s4c schedule at present next wed... a few kids are going to be gutted it gets moved.
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Post by dlwilliams on May 25, 2022 19:42:30 GMT
Good, I was just about to subscribe to Premier Sports!
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