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Post by cymroircarn on Nov 20, 2017 13:41:24 GMT
Trollope was a disaster at Cardiff, no thanks. Coach yes, manager no I'm saying Robinson could be of the standard of him haha. Ah yes, sorry  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2017 14:08:41 GMT
Trollope was a disaster at Cardiff, no thanks. Coach yes, manager no I'm saying Robinson could be of the standard of him haha. That's totally a fair point. To be honest, it's hard for us to tell being on the outside and not having enough to go on. But the thing I say in Robinson's favour is that he comes across as intelligent and authoritative. Few of the candidates championed have both of those qualities. This is why Osian is crucial to the selection process and we need his insight into which candidate has the greater tactical nouse. We need someone who is tactically flexible to bring out the best of our eclectic mix of players and to make in game adaptations so we don't repeat the same mistakes of this last qualifying campaign. While at the same time carry on the legacy of the tactical aspect that Cookie got right. Robinson could be out of the running anyway as he has a long term contract with the Whitecaps (page 1 has the details). Ironically this could make Robinson might less viable than higher profile candidates. Unless he has a Wales job release clause! |
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Post by phillywelsh83 on Nov 20, 2017 14:18:48 GMT
In that case let's take a League of Wales Manager You mean the Welsh Premier League? Would Giggs or Bellamy win the Welsh Premier with any team except for TNS without using their contacts to bring in players? This is what I'm trying to get at, does Giggs know how to dribble through 10 players? Yes. Does he know how to pull a young lad aside and coach him to do it? I'm saying no. Why do you say no? He coached at Manchester United for at least 5 years, he used to do coaching with Sir Alex. I get that people dont like him for "not turning up for friendlies" (conveniently forgetting he turned up for all the important games mind). So take away the fact about friendlies you have an individual who is Welsh, has all the coaching badges, trained to be a coach by FAW, FA, Sir Alex Ferguson (and his coaches), David Moyes (ok forget that one), Louis van Gaal (and his coaches) (as mad as he is, is historically a fine coach), managed Manchester United for 4 games, setting up all the summer and pre-season plans for the following season, assisting with marketing and sporting ideas, knows how to play football the right way (whether he will struggle to be pragmatic is a slight concern) and will garner the respect of the players, he is not going to be in awe of Bale, and will know how to manage the top players. Yet because he missed a few friendlies people would prefer a french cheat - very odd. My choice would be Carl Robinson, but im only adverse to Giggs getting the post because i think it would blow apart the Together Stronger feeling. |
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Post by conwy10 on Nov 20, 2017 21:14:39 GMT
You mean the Welsh Premier League? Would Giggs or Bellamy win the Welsh Premier with any team except for TNS without using their contacts to bring in players? This is what I'm trying to get at, does Giggs know how to dribble through 10 players? Yes. Does he know how to pull a young lad aside and coach him to do it? I'm saying no. Why do you say no? He coached at Manchester United for at least 5 years, he used to do coaching with Sir Alex. I get that people dont like him for "not turning up for friendlies" (conveniently forgetting he turned up for all the important games mind). So take away the fact about friendlies you have an individual who is Welsh, has all the coaching badges, trained to be a coach by FAW, FA, Sir Alex Ferguson (and his coaches), David Moyes (ok forget that one), Louis van Gaal (and his coaches) (as mad as he is, is historically a fine coach), managed Manchester United for 4 games, setting up all the summer and pre-season plans for the following season, assisting with marketing and sporting ideas, knows how to play football the right way (whether he will struggle to be pragmatic is a slight concern) and will garner the respect of the players, he is not going to be in awe of Bale, and will know how to manage the top players. Yet because he missed a few friendlies people would prefer a french cheat - very odd. My choice would be Carl Robinson, but im only adverse to Giggs getting the post because i think it would blow apart the Together Stronger feeling. Because no one has ever given him a chance. Mourihno didn't want him, no one has given him a chance since it might be coincidence but probably isn't. Would Man United want a club legend to go if he was doing a good job? If you watch his analysis of games he doesn't come across as a manager or coach, he's a stereotypical former player.. He doesn't add anything technical it's like watching a fan talk about a match. I see what you're saying he's been under the wing of possibly the greatest manager but how many of Alex Fergusons squad have ever done well in management? The best I can think of is Steve Bruce. What Ferguson had he couldn't pass on for whatever reason. Giggs managed Man United and came out to the papers saying he struggled with the pressure and couldn't sleep, after 4 matches with nothing riding on the matches. I don't want Henry for the same reasons, who's he ever managed? For some reason though whenever I point out why I don't want Giggs, he's not got any managing experience and this is the best squad we've ever had, everyone just sees a massive friendlies instead of why I don't think he'd be a good manager. So yeah I'll just say I don't want Henry as manager cause he didn't show up for any Wales friendlies either. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2017 21:56:40 GMT
Neither Speed nor Hughes had much managerial experience but still took the job on.
If we can’t pay what Sunderland pay then Pep Guardiola isn’t going to come to Cardiff!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2017 22:19:39 GMT
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Post by conwy10 on Nov 20, 2017 22:55:51 GMT
Neither Speed nor Hughes had much managerial experience but still took the job on. If we can’t pay what Sunderland pay then Pep Guardiola isn’t going to come to Cardiff! There's a difference to where we were under Hughes and Speed to now. I think I've mentioned before if our ambitions were to not be eliminated from qualifying at the half way stage, like it was back then, fine take a gamble on an unknown. What's the worst thing that can happen? However this will probably be the last good campaign we get out of Bale, Williams' last, Allen and Ramsey will be getting older. Let's risk qualifying by throwing someone inexperienced in. Give them 4 years to figure out football management and hope the next generation will be better than this one. Have I ever suggested Guardiola. Strange question though, why don't Germany get rid of Joachim Lowe and throw in Phillipe Lahm? Because it would be stupid. |
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Post by saints19 on Nov 20, 2017 23:53:03 GMT
Watching that, Robinson is obviously a fine professional and an intelligent bloke, and there would be no doubting his commitment, but nothing in that suggests that it overcomes his biggest disqualification (at this time) which is lack of long-term, top level experience. I'd have him as a future Wales manager, not at this time. |
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Post by saints19 on Nov 20, 2017 23:54:18 GMT
Neither Speed nor Hughes had much managerial experience but still took the job on. If we can’t pay what Sunderland pay then Pep Guardiola isn’t going to come to Cardiff! There's a difference to where we were under Hughes and Speed to now. I think I've mentioned before if our ambitions were to not be eliminated from qualifying at the half way stage, like it was back then, fine take a gamble on an unknown. What's the worst thing that can happen? However this will probably be the last good campaign we get out of Bale, Williams' last, Allen and Ramsey will be getting older. Let's risk qualifying by throwing someone inexperienced in. Give them 4 years to figure out football management and hope the next generation will be better than this one. Have I ever suggested Guardiola. Strange question though, why don't Germany get rid of Joachim Lowe and throw in Phillipe Lahm? Because it would be stupid. Absolutely bang on. Time for a rookie was 5 years ago, not now. This squad can qualify for more tournaments, they need the best possible manager. |
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Post by welwyn on Nov 21, 2017 8:17:34 GMT
There's a difference to where we were under Hughes and Speed to now. I think I've mentioned before if our ambitions were to not be eliminated from qualifying at the half way stage, like it was back then, fine take a gamble on an unknown. What's the worst thing that can happen? However this will probably be the last good campaign we get out of Bale, Williams' last, Allen and Ramsey will be getting older. Let's risk qualifying by throwing someone inexperienced in. Give them 4 years to figure out football management and hope the next generation will be better than this one. Have I ever suggested Guardiola. Strange question though, why don't Germany get rid of Joachim Lowe and throw in Phillipe Lahm? Because it would be stupid. Absolutely bang on. Time for a rookie was 5 years ago, not now. This squad can qualify for more tournaments, they need the best possible manager. However, because of the financial implications, the best manager we can get is Pulis, who as good as he is, is utterly incapable of playing that way. |
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Post by phillywelsh83 on Nov 21, 2017 11:45:07 GMT
Why do you say no? He coached at Manchester United for at least 5 years, he used to do coaching with Sir Alex. I get that people dont like him for "not turning up for friendlies" (conveniently forgetting he turned up for all the important games mind). So take away the fact about friendlies you have an individual who is Welsh, has all the coaching badges, trained to be a coach by FAW, FA, Sir Alex Ferguson (and his coaches), David Moyes (ok forget that one), Louis van Gaal (and his coaches) (as mad as he is, is historically a fine coach), managed Manchester United for 4 games, setting up all the summer and pre-season plans for the following season, assisting with marketing and sporting ideas, knows how to play football the right way (whether he will struggle to be pragmatic is a slight concern) and will garner the respect of the players, he is not going to be in awe of Bale, and will know how to manage the top players. Yet because he missed a few friendlies people would prefer a french cheat - very odd. My choice would be Carl Robinson, but im only adverse to Giggs getting the post because i think it would blow apart the Together Stronger feeling. Because no one has ever given him a chance. Mourihno didn't want him, no one has given him a chance since it might be coincidence but probably isn't. Would Man United want a club legend to go if he was doing a good job? If you watch his analysis of games he doesn't come across as a manager or coach, he's a stereotypical former player.. He doesn't add anything technical it's like watching a fan talk about a match. I see what you're saying he's been under the wing of possibly the greatest manager but how many of Alex Fergusons squad have ever done well in management? The best I can think of is Steve Bruce. What Ferguson had he couldn't pass on for whatever reason. Giggs managed Man United and came out to the papers saying he struggled with the pressure and couldn't sleep, after 4 matches with nothing riding on the matches. I don't want Henry for the same reasons, who's he ever managed? For some reason though whenever I point out why I don't want Giggs, he's not got any managing experience and this is the best squad we've ever had, everyone just sees a massive friendlies instead of why I don't think he'd be a good manager. So yeah I'll just say I don't want Henry as manager cause he didn't show up for any Wales friendlies either. They are all fair points, it is certainly a concern that he has no real managerial experience, Hughes (one of Fergies disciples btw) and Speed also had similar experience mind. I think Giggs is trying to find that perfect job, he doesnt want to drop down leagues and prove himself, which is probably a poor attitude to have. But he has multiple businesses and doesn't need the money, he has the side gig on ITV which adds to the coffers, so he has no pressure in that concern. Personally, i dont think it should be Giggs, or Henry or Bellamy. It should be Carl Robinson, i think he fits the bill at this point in time. But we all know its going to be Pulis. |
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Post by haruki on Nov 21, 2017 12:48:50 GMT
Because no one has ever given him a chance. Mourihno didn't want him, no one has given him a chance since it might be coincidence but probably isn't. Would Man United want a club legend to go if he was doing a good job? If you watch his analysis of games he doesn't come across as a manager or coach, he's a stereotypical former player.. He doesn't add anything technical it's like watching a fan talk about a match. I see what you're saying he's been under the wing of possibly the greatest manager but how many of Alex Fergusons squad have ever done well in management? The best I can think of is Steve Bruce. What Ferguson had he couldn't pass on for whatever reason. Giggs managed Man United and came out to the papers saying he struggled with the pressure and couldn't sleep, after 4 matches with nothing riding on the matches. I don't want Henry for the same reasons, who's he ever managed? For some reason though whenever I point out why I don't want Giggs, he's not got any managing experience and this is the best squad we've ever had, everyone just sees a massive friendlies instead of why I don't think he'd be a good manager. So yeah I'll just say I don't want Henry as manager cause he didn't show up for any Wales friendlies either. They are all fair points, it is certainly a concern that he has no real managerial experience, Hughes (one of Fergies disciples btw) and Speed also had similar experience mind. I think Giggs is trying to find that perfect job, he doesnt want to drop down leagues and prove himself, which is probably a poor attitude to have. But he has multiple businesses and doesn't need the money, he has the side gig on ITV which adds to the coffers, so he has no pressure in that concern. Personally, i dont think it should be Giggs, or Henry or Bellamy. It should be Carl Robinson, i think he fits the bill at this point in time. But we all know its going to be Pulis. I don't view it as a poor attitude to not drop down the leagues to get a job, Giggs is in the same boat as most pro's of his era, Gerrard, Neville, Ferdinand, Bellamy etc etc in that they don't know the lower leagues, they have no experience of the tactics, play base, player mentality etc. However they are also stuck in that a top club won't give a job to a novice manager no matter what their playing career. That is why i think the likes of Gerrard, Nicky Butt and Bellamy have gone back to clubs that hold them dear and get a foot in the door through the youth teams |
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Post by conwy10 on Nov 21, 2017 13:24:54 GMT
Because no one has ever given him a chance. Mourihno didn't want him, no one has given him a chance since it might be coincidence but probably isn't. Would Man United want a club legend to go if he was doing a good job? If you watch his analysis of games he doesn't come across as a manager or coach, he's a stereotypical former player.. He doesn't add anything technical it's like watching a fan talk about a match. I see what you're saying he's been under the wing of possibly the greatest manager but how many of Alex Fergusons squad have ever done well in management? The best I can think of is Steve Bruce. What Ferguson had he couldn't pass on for whatever reason. Giggs managed Man United and came out to the papers saying he struggled with the pressure and couldn't sleep, after 4 matches with nothing riding on the matches. I don't want Henry for the same reasons, who's he ever managed? For some reason though whenever I point out why I don't want Giggs, he's not got any managing experience and this is the best squad we've ever had, everyone just sees a massive friendlies instead of why I don't think he'd be a good manager. So yeah I'll just say I don't want Henry as manager cause he didn't show up for any Wales friendlies either. They are all fair points, it is certainly a concern that he has no real managerial experience, Hughes (one of Fergies disciples btw) and Speed also had similar experience mind. I think Giggs is trying to find that perfect job, he doesnt want to drop down leagues and prove himself, which is probably a poor attitude to have. But he has multiple businesses and doesn't need the money, he has the side gig on ITV which adds to the coffers, so he has no pressure in that concern. Personally, i dont think it should be Giggs, or Henry or Bellamy. It should be Carl Robinson, i think he fits the bill at this point in time. But we all know its going to be Pulis. 100% agree with this. If Giggs had some experience I really wouldn't be too fussed over him getting it. The writing has been on the wall for a while with Chris Coleman, if I had aspirations of being the Wales manager I'd have taken on any role so you can add it to your CV as a bonus. I even seen Hartson online said he wanted the job, I'd usually love someone like him to get it but he just hasn't got any experience. As much as I think Saunders is a bad manager at least he gave it a go at Wrexham and moved up to Doncaster. Saunders was a really good player been at top clubs all across Europe, coached at Newcastle and Wales. He came in at Wrexham and changed formation countless times, changed personnel every match. It took him 2 years and a massive budget to find a style of play that worked. We can't afford that with Wales. Where we are now Wales manager shouldn't be one for the boys, thankfully we've moved on from that stage. |
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Post by phillywelsh83 on Nov 21, 2017 14:07:30 GMT
They are all fair points, it is certainly a concern that he has no real managerial experience, Hughes (one of Fergies disciples btw) and Speed also had similar experience mind. I think Giggs is trying to find that perfect job, he doesnt want to drop down leagues and prove himself, which is probably a poor attitude to have. But he has multiple businesses and doesn't need the money, he has the side gig on ITV which adds to the coffers, so he has no pressure in that concern. Personally, i dont think it should be Giggs, or Henry or Bellamy. It should be Carl Robinson, i think he fits the bill at this point in time. But we all know its going to be Pulis. 100% agree with this. If Giggs had some experience I really wouldn't be too fussed over him getting it. The writing has been on the wall for a while with Chris Coleman, if I had aspirations of being the Wales manager I'd have taken on any role so you can add it to your CV as a bonus. I even seen Hartson online said he wanted the job, I'd usually love someone like him to get it but he just hasn't got any experience. As much as I think Saunders is a bad manager at least he gave it a go at Wrexham and moved up to Doncaster. Saunders was a really good player been at top clubs all across Europe, coached at Newcastle and Wales. He came in at Wrexham and changed formation countless times, changed personnel every match. It took him 2 years and a massive budget to find a style of play that worked. We can't afford that with Wales. Where we are now Wales manager shouldn't be one for the boys, thankfully we've moved on from that stage. Who would you like to see? |
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Post by conwy10 on Nov 21, 2017 14:21:09 GMT
100% agree with this. If Giggs had some experience I really wouldn't be too fussed over him getting it. The writing has been on the wall for a while with Chris Coleman, if I had aspirations of being the Wales manager I'd have taken on any role so you can add it to your CV as a bonus. I even seen Hartson online said he wanted the job, I'd usually love someone like him to get it but he just hasn't got any experience. As much as I think Saunders is a bad manager at least he gave it a go at Wrexham and moved up to Doncaster. Saunders was a really good player been at top clubs all across Europe, coached at Newcastle and Wales. He came in at Wrexham and changed formation countless times, changed personnel every match. It took him 2 years and a massive budget to find a style of play that worked. We can't afford that with Wales. Where we are now Wales manager shouldn't be one for the boys, thankfully we've moved on from that stage. Who would you like to see? Carl Robinson. Young, Welsh, managed before, FAW Trained, knows the players and staff, coached in a different environment so can also bring in fresh ideas. I can't see anyone else really. |
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Post by saints19 on Nov 21, 2017 14:58:33 GMT
Absolutely bang on. Time for a rookie was 5 years ago, not now. This squad can qualify for more tournaments, they need the best possible manager. However, because of the financial implications, the best manager we can get is Pulis, who as good as he is, is utterly incapable of playing that way. I don't buy that. He's signed several of our players for his clubs. Obviously he knows them and their strengths and weaknesses. Has it occurred to you that maybe a slightly more physically combative style might benefit us in some qualifying games? It probably would have done in the last campaign. There is no Wales style - there is only the best style for the job that needs to be done. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2017 15:05:54 GMT
However, because of the financial implications, the best manager we can get is Pulis, who as good as he is, is utterly incapable of playing that way. I don't buy that. He's signed several of our players for his clubs. Obviously he knows them and their strengths and weaknesses. Has it occurred to you that maybe a slightly more physically combative style might benefit us in some qualifying games? It probably would have done in the last campaign. There is no Wales style - there is only the best style for the job that needs to be done. Agree with the last part very much. But on physicality bit I don't. I just don't see how this can be a strength for Wales with this crop of players. Our players are lightweight compared to other international teams. We also don't have the strength in depth to allow for more suspensions that a more physical style would incur. By the excellent reckoning in the "Gunter Index" OP, the main reason why we failed to qualify was too many injuries/suspensions in comparison to the successful Euro qualifiers. |
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Post by saints19 on Nov 21, 2017 15:09:57 GMT
I don't buy that. He's signed several of our players for his clubs. Obviously he knows them and their strengths and weaknesses. Has it occurred to you that maybe a slightly more physically combative style might benefit us in some qualifying games? It probably would have done in the last campaign. There is no Wales style - there is only the best style for the job that needs to be done. Agree with the last part very much. But on physicality bit I don't. I just don't see how this can be a strength for Wales with this crop of players. Our players are lightweight compared to other international teams. We also don't have the strength in depth to allow for more suspensions that a more physical style would incur. By the excellent reckoning in the "Gunter Index" OP, the main reason why we failed to qualify was too many injuries/suspensions in comparison to the successful Euro qualifiers. I'm not suggesting that Pulis would dump our quality players. He wouldn't. Just that he would probably do some basic things that bring balance to the team/squad. People are calling for Ampadu to start over Ledley at this moment - that's nuts imo. Pulis may also play a more pragmatic 4-5-1 or other formation against some teams. I think sticking to the 5-3-2 cost us points in the last campaign, notably against Georgia. You can't legislate for injuries and suspensions obviously, but I still think there are lessons to be learned from this campaign. |
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Post by welwyn on Nov 21, 2017 15:23:55 GMT
However, because of the financial implications, the best manager we can get is Pulis, who as good as he is, is utterly incapable of playing that way. I don't buy that. He's signed several of our players for his clubs. Obviously he knows them and their strengths and weaknesses. Has it occurred to you that maybe a slightly more physically combative style might benefit us in some qualifying games? It probably would have done in the last campaign. There is no Wales style - there is only the best style for the job that needs to be done. Yeah but also, notice which players he has signed and how he has used them. James Chester at RB being a keynote example. I don't disagree we could do with a bit more nous in terms of defensively and especially set-pieces but I just don't think we have the players to play Pulis-ball as a whole. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2017 15:33:47 GMT
I've seen Joe Ledley twice for Derby since he's gone there and he's really shone. The championship seems to really bring out the streetwise and physical aspect to his game. I agree, at the moment he's still a starter for us. Hopefully he can maintain his playing level he's at now for three more years for us. By which point he'll be close to 34.
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Post by CrackityJones on Nov 21, 2017 15:57:24 GMT
Who would you like to see? Carl Robinson. Young, Welsh, managed before, FAW Trained, knows the players and staff, coached in a different environment so can also bring in fresh ideas. I can't see anyone else really. Back on the subject of Carl Robinson, you have summed up why I think he would be a good candidate for the job....just not right now. I'd like to see him cut his teeth in the EFL where most of our players ply their trade before getting the main job in Welsh football. |
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Post by alarch on Nov 21, 2017 16:22:40 GMT
On the subject of Joe Ledley he had the highest pass completion rate of all Welsh players in the last campaign - over 90% if I recall correctly. The vast majority of those passes would be very safe conservative passes but it illustrates that he's a lot more rounded a player than most give credit for. His big weakness is lack of pace - but one of Coleman's smartest moves was identifying the barely-move-from-in-front-of-the-defence dogged midfield holding role for him. Whoever replaces Ledley will have their work cut out to prove they have the all-round game he has.
"There is no Wales style - there is only the best style for the job that needs to be done." You've just dissed more than a decade's work by Osian Roberts in developing a style of play based on the Spanish and Dutch systems. Coleman took us somewhat away from the Speed way of playing, but retained enough of our core identity for us to score sufficient goals in qualifying for Euro 2016. Whoever the new manager is should re-inforce our playing identity, not weaken it.
It's interesting to hear that of those who've been touted for the job has been described as advocating a progressive brand of football. The only criteria being bandied about are: Welsh, passionate, experience. Not good enough.
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Post by alarch on Nov 21, 2017 16:23:59 GMT
On the subject of Carl Robinson no one has yet said anything about his managerial philosophy. He ticks the Welsh, passionate and has a half-tick in the experienced box, but the rest is a big blank.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2017 17:58:36 GMT
The problem is Alarch, none of the candidates touted give us an indication on playing identity as far as I'm aware. You could argue Pulis too as I for one would have no clue what he might do with this pool of players. Though that's not an endorsement for me.
I take it your favourites for the post would be non-Welsh with a proven track record for a more technical centric style? Who would be your favourites for the post?
Looking at the younger players who we hope will make their mark come the next competitive games, I do agree that we don't have any choice but to maintain a more technical philosophy. But perhaps we might need new ideas also for two reasons. One - so that we are flexible and adaptive, hard to work out and have a plan B & C we can switch to between games and in game. Two - because the talents available to us in the medium term could well be more attacking orientated rather than defensive as they have been in recent times.
Part of the reason why we took on the shape we have done is to flood the centre on the pitch, which I saw as a form of playing narrow. At least without the ball. The reason seems to be that most chances on the football pitch are created in the centre so I saw that we were playing the percentages in regard. But the main reason I always thought was because we only had one natural wide player worth fielding and he was our most influential so we wanted him more central anyway.
If lots of our young hopefuls come to fruit like we hope they will, I think we might even be forced to ditch our dominant system. Not because it doesn't work. But because there will be players too talented to not play. Of course they must fit into a system. But I don't see a good enough reason why it will have to be the same one that we've been predominantly using. We will though, as you rightly point out, have to stay technical.
Isn't there one factor that perhaps you're dismissing in this though? Osian? I don't want to over egg his talents as that's been done to death. But we do have a unique resource with him in regard to coaching contacts and his insights into their philosophies. Surely it's going to make sense and be less of a risk if we opt for someone who has come into contact with his training scheme? Someone who has has done his own due diligence on?
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Post by alarch on Nov 21, 2017 19:43:09 GMT
A number of good points there which I'm pretty much in agreement with. I agree with the importance of Osian, and it would be a small thing in Pulis' favour that he has been involved with Osian's coaching courses. But it's hard to see that they would share the same footballing philosophy. But, a large number of people have been through Osian's courses, and so he should have a good feel for the availability of someone with congruent ideas (say Arteta). It's worth noting that Martinez - who kick-started the good days for Swansea - was appointed as Swansea manager because his footballing philosophy was already well known to the club from his playing days.
Trouble is, even if there is a managerial gem that has been through the FAWs courses would the selection committee (the composition of which is very depressing) be interested in a no-name, or non-Welsh prospective manager over a Giggs or a Pulis? I very much doubt it.
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Post by conwy10 on Nov 21, 2017 21:41:18 GMT
Carl Robinson. Young, Welsh, managed before, FAW Trained, knows the players and staff, coached in a different environment so can also bring in fresh ideas. I can't see anyone else really. Back on the subject of Carl Robinson, you have summed up why I think he would be a good candidate for the job....just not right now. I'd like to see him cut his teeth in the EFL where most of our players ply their trade before getting the main job in Welsh football. Yeah that's fair enough. Would be ideal if he did. It's a shame there's not 1 stand out candidate ready now. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2017 22:27:05 GMT
A number of good points there which I'm pretty much in agreement with. I agree with the importance of Osian, and it would be a small thing in Pulis' favour that he has been involved with Osian's coaching courses. But it's hard to see that they would share the same footballing philosophy. But, a large number of people have been through Osian's courses, and so he should have a good feel for the availability of someone with congruent ideas (say Arteta). It's worth noting that Martinez - who kick-started the good days for Swansea - was appointed as Swansea manager because his footballing philosophy was already well known to the club from his playing days. Trouble is, even if there is a managerial gem that has been through the FAWs courses would the selection committee (the composition of which is very depressing) be interested in a no-name, or non-Welsh prospective manager over a Giggs or a Pulis? I very much doubt it. Martinez always came across as someone born to manage. Highly intelligent chap. I'd take him for Wales if he weren't giving winning the world cup a stab with one of the best teams in the running. I think I'm seeing similar qualities in CR but it's still all guesswork from me. I suppose whoever gets the nod will feel like a stab in the dark from a fans perspective. But I'm confident actually that it won't be so much from the FAW's. They've gotten the last few appointments spot on and even gave Flynn a deserved trial shift a long the way. Craig Bellamy's odds slashed with the bookies in the last few hours by the way. It might not mean anything but he's now the favourite. |
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Post by cadno on Nov 21, 2017 23:35:12 GMT
On the subject of Carl Robinson no one has yet said anything about his managerial philosophy. He ticks the Welsh, passionate and has a half-tick in the experienced box, but the rest is a big blank. I listened to a reporters interview about VW and Robbo after the play-offs. He said VW played best when they pressed the opposition high up the pitch and with a lot of intensity. Apparently Robinson deployed defensive/safe tactics in the play-offs, which was a mistake in many people's opinions. They only managed 1 shot on target over two legs, but overall they have played well throughout the season. Robinson told the media that he needs to buy better players to help VW progress. |
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Post by cadno on Nov 22, 2017 0:01:05 GMT
On the subject of Carl Robinson no one has yet said anything about his managerial philosophy. He ticks the Welsh, passionate and has a half-tick in the experienced box, but the rest is a big blank. "Counter-attacking, hardworking, and honest. Those are the philosophies that shine through on a Carl Robinson team." Vancouver averaged the least possession in the league. The ‘Caps found most of their success through counter-attack and set pieces – and their 5-0 victory over San Jose Earthquakes was a prime example. Vancouver had the third most attempted crosses in MLS with 431. "But Robinson played it safe, and his team never attempted to try to open it up against the Sounders, playing not to lose, instead of trying to win. The Welsh manager’s conservative tactics proved to be incredibly tone deaf, and he doubled down on that approach in the second leg in Seattle – although, to be fair, influential attackers Yordy Reyna and Cristian Techera weren’t at full strength and played with injuries. Still, when the stakes have been at their highest, Robinson has cowered in terms of his tactics and player selection. A new philosophy has to be adopted, a culture change within the Whitecaps organization must take place. Complacency can no longer be accepted. They can’t be afraid of losing. From top to bottom, there has to be a fearlessness every time the Whitecaps take to the pitch, an expectation that they are going to win every game they play." More tactical talk: www.impactmontreal.com/en/post/2017/05/29/10-things-vancouver-whitecaps-fc |
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